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I can’t believe no one has mentioned the MSM. Shouldn’t have to mention the obvious
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The velocity doesn't matter. Even if 280 AI lapua brass handloads achieve the same thing. It's all about the bullet not intruding past the neck. That is everything man! God forbid a bullet sits down past the neck inside the brass case. At that point, you can't even use the cartridge for hunting anymore! Shhhhhhh don't tell that to my 300 Savage, I don't want it going on strike 🤫😂 You are fking nuts! Don't you dare let a bullet go beyond neck, inside that brass case! You could end up with 1 inch groups and totally miss a deer at extended range. Yep, and you’ll get carbon deposits on the bases of those bullets. You can’t go flinging carbon covered bullets around the countryside. 😳 Are you fkn kidding me?! That mole hill can also turn into a mountain. Carbon is a very serious issue. It's actually in the steel that the rifle is made out of. Some folks even wrap their barrels in the stuff. Nothing will fight the bad harmonic forces of carbon on a bullet, than carbon wrapped barrels. It can also make the shooter sick, so you gotta drink carbonated water like pelegrino.
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I can’t believe no one has mentioned the MSM. It’s too easy AK.
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Well I'll be go to hell, with that 3000fps advertised velocity on that Hornady ammo with the 175 eld x it appears a might optimistic.mb
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No, Hornady never hyped up their rounds…
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I found 2 different lots of 180eldm Hornady ammo to be very different so I pulled down a round from each. One had what appeared to be RL25 or 26 in it and the other had a ball powder in it that looked like staball hd.
The RL powder ones clocked about 2770 fos and the staball ones clocked 2850. This from my seeking havak element with a 22" barrel.
I don't have many rounds down it yet but I've loaded it to where I got about 2910 with a 180 but that load was fairly warm. The load I've settled in for now is a 180 at 2850 fps. I'm probably losing at least 60 fps from what a 24" barrel would get maybe even more but I like the way the 22" handles. If I were building a rifle I'd still go 22".
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While I'm definitely not a Hornady fanboy, what I'm seeing here is a problem that all the ammo makers are facing these days, shortages of suitable propellants. Just like us folks who reload and can't find our favorite powders, they too are having the same troubles. They have to use and make do with whatever they can get in suitable quantities, and some may not be optimum for the application.
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So 2800 fps from the 7mm prc, using 175 grain bullets.
At what yardage, would this exceed a 30-06 that fires 180 grain ballistic tip boat tails at 2800 fps?
Also, I've launched 200 grain accubonds at 2750 fps in the 30-06. At what yardage will the 7mm prc exceed that 30-06 load?
So some say "reload" to get the potential. There is NO BRASS available. Brand new cartridge and hornady can't even support it. Yet they can release worthless fkn youtube videos every week blabbering about nothing. They need to get the fk to work, and support their cartridge developments with more than marketing and cartridge theory.
Stick with your 280 ai 7mm mags and 30-06's boys. There's brass everywhere.
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Well I'll be go to hell, with that 3000fps advertised velocity on that Hornady ammo with the 175 eld x it appears a might optimistic.mb Yeah, I was shocked I’d tell you. 🥴 Me, initially seeing 200 plus loss at the muzzle had me shîtting myself. I ran another 5 shot speed average and settled in @ 2767 FPS. It’s not actually what I had signed up for after reading a pile of info on the chambering before I decided to jump in. No, Hornady never hyped up their rounds… Never heard of such a thing either. Laffin 🦫
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I found 2 different lots of 180eldm Hornady ammo to be very different so I pulled down a round from each. One had what appeared to be RL25 or 26 in it and the other had a ball powder in it that looked like staball hd.
The RL powder ones clocked about 2770 fos and the staball ones clocked 2850. This from my seeking havak element with a 22" barrel.
I don't have many rounds down it yet but I've loaded it to where I got about 2910 with a 180 but that load was fairly warm. The load I've settled in for now is a 180 at 2850 fps. I'm probably losing at least 60 fps from what a 24" barrel would get maybe even more but I like the way the 22" handles. If I were building a rifle I'd still go 22".
Bb Interesting information, Bb. 180’s grabbing speed between 2770 and 2850 from the same rifle as mine. Yet, I couldn’t barely break 2800 with 175’s. And that’s from a sampling of 20 different boxes and 2 lot numbers of ammo. Thank the gods I have a couple 280AI’s. Sheesh! 🦫
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So 2800 fps from the 7mm prc, using 175 grain bullets.
At what yardage, would this exceed a 30-06 that fires 180 grain ballistic tip boat tails at 2800 fps?
Also, I've launched 200 grain accubonds at 2750 fps in the 30-06. At what yardage will the 7mm prc exceed that 30-06 load?
So some say "reload" to get the potential. There is NO BRASS available. Brand new cartridge and hornady can't even support it. Yet they can release worthless fkn youtube videos every week blabbering about nothing. They need to get the fk to work, and support their cartridge developments with more than marketing and cartridge theory.
Stick with your 280 ai 7mm mags and 30-06's boys. There's brass everywhere. How I’m feeling right now is, I sucked the big ole delusional pipe on this chambering. The only upside is, my Element is light and accurate. But, I could have done the same with something else. 🦫
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So 2800 fps from the 7mm prc, using 175 grain bullets.
At what yardage, would this exceed a 30-06 that fires 180 grain ballistic tip boat tails at 2800 fps?
Also, I've launched 200 grain accubonds at 2750 fps in the 30-06. At what yardage will the 7mm prc exceed that 30-06 load?
So some say "reload" to get the potential. There is NO BRASS available. Brand new cartridge and hornady can't even support it. Yet they can release worthless fkn youtube videos every week blabbering about nothing. They need to get the fk to work, and support their cartridge developments with more than marketing and cartridge theory.
Stick with your 280 ai 7mm mags and 30-06's boys. There's brass everywhere. How I’m feeling right now is, I sucked the big ole delusional pipe on this chambering. The only upside is, my Element is light and accurate. But, I could have done the same with something else. 🦫 Sht, I feel bad for yah. That's an expensive rifle to no have no brass. I have 2 boxes of ammo left, and only have a ruger american 7mm prc. I'm selling the fkn PRC American and keeping my 308 winchester American. It has a 20" barrel, open sights, fed from STEEL AI mags, loves 200 grain bullets and weighs 7 lbs 6 oz.
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How I’m feeling right now is, I sucked the big ole delusional pipe on this chambering. I may be hitting the same pipe. Waiting to get my rifle back from my gunsmith. It will be interesting to see what the 26" barrel will do. I wonder if Hornady will drop the 3000 fps on the factory boxes. LOL. I know I will be pissed if I don't come close to 3000. In all fairness, my Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor brass that I collected from factory loads is fine and figured the 7 PRC brass would be same. We shall see.
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Somehow my 280 Remington sounds better all the time
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Interesting thread. I’ve been on the fence building a 7mm PRC or 7mag. I still think you would not be making a bad decision building a 7mm RM.
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That 175 ELD around 2800 should still have alot of juice. Plus, I'd think bullet performance started a little slower won't be a horrible thing either.
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Interesting thread. I’ve been on the fence building a 7mm PRC or 7mag. I still think you would not be making a bad decision building a 7mm RM. Particularly in a 700 twisted 8
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