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I like old school with a new twist.... 22 Creed... pffft... years ago I did a 220 swift with an 1/8 twist... today I would build a 7mm rem with 1/8 twist and be ahead of those waiting for 7prc brass.... hahahhaha
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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In broad brushstrokes, the 284 Prick brings a pile driving ass to the table,over the counter. It stands largely alone there. Why? Bullets,bullets and bullets. Hint............. I don't shoot much, and I'm invested in the 264 Prick, along with the Kreed. But for a new shooter, the 7 PRC may be the ticket.
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Perhaps even more punctuation,would make her Imagination and Pretend better,to add even more "satisfaction" to the equation? Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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In broad brushstrokes, the 284 Prick brings a pile driving ass to the table,over the counter. It stands largely alone there. Why? Bullets,bullets and bullets. Hint............. I don't shoot much, and I'm invested in the 264 Prick, along with the Kreed. But for a new shooter, the 7 PRC may be the ticket. WTF are you talking about? ......264 prick?
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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In broad brushstrokes, the 284 Prick brings a pile driving ass to the table,over the counter. It stands largely alone there. Why? Bullets,bullets and bullets. Hint............. I don't shoot much, and I'm invested in the 264 Prick, along with the Kreed. But for a new shooter, the 7 PRC may be the ticket. WTF are you talking about? ......264 prick? 6.5 PRC.
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In broad brushstrokes, the 284 Prick brings a pile driving ass to the table,over the counter. It stands largely alone there. Why? Bullets,bullets and bullets. Hint............. I don't shoot much, and I'm invested in the 264 Prick, along with the Kreed. But for a new shooter, the 7 PRC may be the ticket. WTF are you talking about? ......264 prick? 6.5 PRC
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"Surprisingly!",she can't Google fast enough and falls reliably upon zero knowledge. Hint...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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In broad brushstrokes, the 284 Prick brings a pile driving ass to the table,over the counter. It stands largely alone there. Why? Bullets,bullets and bullets. Hint............. I don't shoot much, and I'm invested in the 264 Prick, along with the Kreed. But for a new shooter, the 7 PRC may be the ticket. WTF are you talking about? ......264 prick? 6.5 PRC Why didn't you say just say PRC? I had one of those years before Hornadys marketing team dreamed that schit up, it was called a 6.5-06 and yes it had 1/8 twist
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Why didn't you say just say PRC? Just using BS' slang. I like it. May I?
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Why didn't you say just say PRC? Just using BS' slang. I like it. May I? No!!! only I can... I do like the slang "Salvage" the rest seems childish to me...
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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No!!! only I can... I do like the slang "Salvage" the rest seems childish to me... Settled! Back to the topic now.
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Ok beretzs, fire up the Jiffy Pop, buddy. Got to the range this morning.
24 inch Douglas premium stainless barrel, SAAMI chamber cut with 4D reamer. 137 shots before this morning. Cleaned bore.
60f degrees, 1,800ft elev.
Caldwell chronograph that has been consistent and predictable with many tiny standard deviation air rifle tunes. Posts same numbers as my buddy's for what that's worth. 15 feet from the muzzle.
Burleyboy, I pulled an ELD X from the Hornady load and it is the ball powder.
I was getting a stiff bolt with some of the Hornady ELD X load previously and so shot 3 of these early with a barely warm barrel and then 3 more at the end with a very hot barrel. I was thinking maybe the cartridges were heating up in the chamber effecting the powder. I did get some difficult bolt lift with the last three but, the numbers don't show a pressure spike. Maybe a brass thing?
My rifle LOVES the Federal 175 ELD X load and the Hornady 180 ELD M load. Puts all the tested loads under an inch but these two into well under an inch. And, the Fed X load and the Horn CX load shoot to the same POI at 100.
I was really only interested in the Federal load but, threw the others in for you guys. Honestly, I don't really care how fast it is and my main concern was what beretzs alluded to. I don't want it too fast for cup and cores to work well at 50 yards.
Pretty sure the math is right. Anywho:
Federal 175 ELD X (including 1st clean bore shot which seems to be an outlier) Average of 15 shots 2,930 f/s SD 18.2 ES 68
Federal 175 ELD X (not including 1st clean bore shot) Average of 14 shots 2,927 f/s SD 14.5 ES 46
Hornady 175 ELD X Average of 6 shots 2,876 f/s
Hornady 160 CX Average of 3 shots 2,904 f/s
Hornady 180 ELD M Average of 3 shots 2,812 f/s
Fed 175 X 2,972 2,906 2,915 2,913 2,938
Horn 175 X 2,884 2,889 2,872
Horn 160 CX 2,911 2,898 2,902
Horn 180 M 2,821 2,804 2,812
Fed 175 X 2,936 2,917 2,911 2,923 2,940 2,904 forgot to look forgot to look 2,941 2,945 2,950 2,935
Horn 175 X 2,880 2,875 2,857 I could live happily with that. Especially if it's accurate. Thanks for posting up the numbers.
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Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery,especially with punctuation,under the guise of Imaginary Pretend Ignore. Hint...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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That 175 ELD around 2800 should still have alot of juice. Plus, I'd think bullet performance started a little slower won't be a horrible thing either. Yeah Scotty, it should cause a good bruise. Grins. The thing is, all the urber-hype that came out on the 7PRC’s velocity caused some heads to scratch for some of us who are seeing speeds far below what would be expected based on published information… Heck, me chasing fps numbers, just trying to get within 100fps of what the cartridge was alleged to do, left me with a few empty boxes of ammunition I otherwise wouldn’t have had to use if their speed numbers were more realistic. It will kill, no question. And I will likely hunt it in a few weeks for a Roosevelt. I’m actually more interested to see how the 175gr Eld-x performs into meat/bone at 400-600 yards. This is my first rodeo using this bullet on a game animal. 🦫 I did it a couple years back with the 212 ELD from the 06 and it was great on a small 5x5. I would be happy to use the 175 ELD under the same. While they won't look like an Accubond when you recover them, they will dig pretty deep. I'd be a cat in a rockin chair factory putting the 175/180's into elk bones at 3000-3100 up close myself. Slowed down a bit, they act normal and man they churn stuff.
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You boys are talking a 21" 1-8" RPM 7-08 with 180's at 2600fps,rather purty. Hint...................(grin)
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The 7 prc offers a good bit for the factory shooter but doesn’t impress me with their marketing,
I’ve had 1:8 7 mags that easily get an 180 to 3k and currently use a 1:8 7 saum on an anti x xm action as my do all rifle. Brand new barrel and new ADG brass so I’m taking it somewhat easy yet but shooting 180 hybrids at 2835 fps from a 24” barrel. Will see what’s what after all my brass is formed and barrel speeds up but I’m guessing it will land solidly in the 2925-2950 fps area.
The PRC has some decent attributes but many rounds will do the same.
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Of course, I’ve had 8” twist barrels chambered in 7RM and 7WSM, typically 24-26” in length, that push a 180 to 2930-3000 fps, but the main advantage of the PRC, IMO, is factory rifles in 8” twist.
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the main advantage of the PRC, IMO, is factory rifles in 8” twist. And that, in a nutshell, is it.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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The 284 Prick's case length by default,"extends" mag boxes. That will do sincere favors,to all things not Rem 700. Schitty Winchesters already cited and Hurt Feeler Fact Reports are flooding the gates. Hint.
I personally could give less than ZERO fhuqks about an extra couple "clicks" on an erector at the 1000yd line and have long been HAPPY,with simply letting the bullet do the work. Couple same with a scope that will reliably arrange POA/POI intersections and cross fingers that the wind is fhuqking howling,to keep schit "fair". Hint.
180's or bust,for me. Hint...............
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The PRC maybe a hot item now but the 7mm Mashburn did those velocity numbers 50 yrs ago with 300 Win brass as the source. Mine will consistantly shoot .6 in groups. So even though it may be a bigger 6,5 manbun they haven't done much but reinvent the wheel. "they haven't done much but reinvent the wheel". The wheel hasn't been reinvented in over 100 years since the 30-06 was introduced. You can say the same thing about the bolt action rifle and the introduction of the 1898 Mauser. Everything since has been a matter of tweaks here and there of something that's already been done. Try to find Mashburn (the manbun of the 1950s) ammo at Midway!
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