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and a harder core base AND … INTERLOCK BAND has nothing to do with it. So how did does thier line WITHOUT a cannelure LOCK ? but Good to know you’re convinced it helps. What precisely do you mean by harder core base? Email Sierra and ask them First of all, I was referring to your comment in a post about the Interlock, a Hornady product. Second, I don't believe Sierra has ever used differential hardness in their cores. Speer used to in the Grand Slam. and a harder core base AND … INTERLOCK BAND has nothing to do with it. So how did does thier line WITHOUT a cannelure LOCK ? but Good to know you’re convinced it helps. What precisely do you mean by harder core base? Email Sierra and ask them First of all, I was referring to your comment in a post about the Interlock, a Hornady product. Second, I don't believe Sierra has ever used differential hardness in their cores. Speer used to in the Grand Slam. We make the core of the bullet from four lead alloys: 6% antimony-4% tin, 6% antimony, 3% antimony, 1 1/2% antimony, and pure lead. For each bullet, we select the proper lead alloy for the best combination of accuracy and expansion in the finished projectile See, the written word confuses you greatly. You really are showing the internet what an idiot you are, over and over again.
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and a harder core base AND … INTERLOCK BAND has nothing to do with it. So how did does thier line WITHOUT a cannelure LOCK ? but Good to know you’re convinced it helps. What precisely do you mean by harder core base? Email Sierra and ask them First of all, I was referring to your comment in a post about the Interlock, a Hornady product. Second, I don't believe Sierra has ever used differential hardness in their cores. Speer used to in the Grand Slam. and a harder core base AND … INTERLOCK BAND has nothing to do with it. So how did does thier line WITHOUT a cannelure LOCK ? but Good to know you’re convinced it helps. What precisely do you mean by harder core base? Email Sierra and ask them First of all, I was referring to your comment in a post about the Interlock, a Hornady product. Second, I don't believe Sierra has ever used differential hardness in their cores. Speer used to in the Grand Slam. We make the core of the bullet from four lead alloys: 6% antimony-4% tin, 6% antimony, 3% antimony, 1 1/2% antimony, and pure lead. For each bullet, we select the proper lead alloy for the best combination of accuracy and expansion in the finished projectile See, the written word confuses you greatly. You really are showing the internet what an idiot you are, over and over again. Your mother never raised you to get along with others other than ones that agree with you
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and a harder core base AND … INTERLOCK BAND has nothing to do with it. So how did does thier line WITHOUT a cannelure LOCK ? but Good to know you’re convinced it helps. What precisely do you mean by harder core base? He has NO idea WTF he is talking about, just spewing crap, like the private message he sent me LOL I also got one from AnotherGomer. He's just an ignorant troll.
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To all who are on a high horse of knowledge will someday get knocked off.. so in the mean time y’all can stick it , your lofty knowledge that is. To all who gave positive and success on the bullet much appreciated.
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I used four different Silvertips on game. The first was a 1960s vintage .308/180 gr. It expanded readily and penetrated through the several smallish white tails I shot with them, broadside heart/lung shots. The second was an 80s vintage .270/140 gr. Fragmented in the heart lung region in a broadside shot on a midsize whitetail. Didn’t hit the far shoulder. Further testing it failed to fully penetrate an 8” pine. Third was a 60s vintage .270/130. I found no evidence of expansion on a neck shot 110 pound doe. She dropped. Third was a 60s vintage .250 savage/100 gr. Good expansion full penetration of the neck of a whitetail. So, they have been inconsistent in my use. I currently only have one box left, .30-06/150 loaded with my standard Garand load, in case I hunt with it.
Old70 my dad (RIP) did not like the Silvertips (30'06, 180gr) in the late 1970s. he told me that it fragmented on the deer's lungs and there was no exit wound. i have a box or two of the loads he left me. the Silvertip bullets did the same thing in early Nosler BT and early Hornady SST's. i found out, from dead deer, that 2800fps (from different calibers) is about as fast as you can go if you want the bullet to mushroom. if you go 2900fps or more, the bullet will fragment. 2800fps is an IMPACT speed. my shots are usually around 30 - 40 yards. i use SST's and BT's in 6.5x55, 270, 30'06, 7-08 and the like.
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so the saying speed kills, isn't always the answer. And considering that's what people crave to day naturally that's what they expect a bullet to perform at and that's what bullet companies improve thier bullet so be, catering to speed freaks at longer ranges.
Appreciate the input bro.
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so the saying speed kills, isn't always the answer. And considering that's what people crave to day naturally that's what they expect a bullet to perform at and that's what bullet companies improve thier bullet so be, catering to speed freaks at longer ranges.
Appreciate the input bro. Get on back to the fourth grade and learn spelling, grammar, and syntax you stupid fool. Come back when you and Jethro graduate the fourth go on to get your advanced degree; you know, the fifth grade.
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For all you know it alls, Here’s a Sierra tech named Philip Mahin and l hope you don’t think he’s a liar like me…. we use a lead alloy for the most part. Pure lead goes into pistol bullets because of the low impact velocity necessity, then we work up in hardness. A 1.5%, then a 3%, then a 6%, and the last is a 6% plus a 4% special in the blend. For the most part, our Pro-Hunters and GameKings use the 3% with a specific jacket to give an ideal expansion quality at a specific impact velocity. Satisfying? I doubt ladies. Email was read from him this morning.
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You learn something new everyday. GASP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My we have a live one here !! So l guess up until this point most of yyyyyy’alllllll thought it was pure lead. Jackets aren’t everything or velocity! Is it ?
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For all you know it alls, Here’s a Sierra tech named Philip Mahin and l hope you don’t think he’s a liar like me…. we use a lead alloy for the most part. Pure lead goes into pistol bullets because of the low impact velocity necessity, then we work up in hardness. A 1.5%, then a 3%, then a 6%, and the last is a 6% plus a 4% special in the blend. For the most part, our Pro-Hunters and GameKings use the 3% with a specific jacket to give an ideal expansion quality at a specific impact velocity. Satisfying? I doubt ladies. Email was read from him this morning. Still nothing said about varying hardness in 1 core from front to rear. 3% for the most part in GK and PH. Not varying hardness. Simply says they use different blends in their cores depending on what bullet within their product line.
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For all you know it alls, Ju Here’s a Sierra tech named Philip Mahin and l hope you don’t think he’s a liar like me…. we use a lead alloy for the most part. Pure lead goes into pistol bullets because of the low impact velocity necessity, then we work up in hardness. A 1.5%, then a 3%, then a 6%, and the last is a 6% plus a 4% special in the blend. For the most part, our Pro-Hunters and GameKings use the 3% with a specific jacket to give an ideal expansion quality at a specific impact velocity. Satisfying? I doubt ladies. Email was read from him this morning. Still nothing said about varying hardness in 1 core from front to rear. 3% for the most part in GK and PH. Not varying hardness. Simply says they use different blends in their cores depending on what bullet within their product line. Exactly, but he's a frigging idiot. I tried to explain it to him last night, but he has zero desire for actually information, just a lonely old troll. The only thing you can do is thank God you are not him, laugh, and leave the idiot alone.
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since you don't know how to let people down easy, I can do it for you. They're not pure lead, they're about 6-8 BHN which isn't pure lead, there is some alloy in the core. Loading below 2800 fps will do just fine. Which even at extended ranges like 300 to 400 yds will be fine.
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Pure lead isn't zero BHN if that's what you're assuming.
Pure lead is 5 BHN.
"40:1" is the first "alloy" above pure Pb which is pure lead plus 2.5% tin, and 8.5 BHN.
Wheelweights are the next alloy up the scale at .5% tin and 4% antimony, for a BHN of 9.
Basic soft hardware store 60/40 plumbing solder is BHN 16.
Whatever you got there Mr. "I Don't Shoot Much" isn't significantly harder than pure lead.
Just laying out persective.
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Wheel weight are ~12 but what have are 15 so whoever or where ever you got that information “Mr l shoot a lot” go back and research it again. But on with the silver tips
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Wheel weight are ~12 but what have are 15 so whoever or where ever you got that information “Mr l shoot a lot” go back and research it again. But on with the silver tips Your googlefu, sucks. Wheel weights will vary from 9 to 12 depending on what company made them, how fast a casting is cooled and with what, if they are heat treated, and if Sn is added for better flow. For all intents and purposes you should defer to assuming the lowest hardness and work from there. A BHN of 12 is 94.5 % Pb, 3% Sn, and 2.5% Sb.....and is known as "Electrotype". As you would say, "Google it". Again, since you didn't hear it the first time, whatever you have there is not significantly harder than pure lead.
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Anybody know what the core on a Hornady ELD M or X runs for hardness?
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