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Originally Posted by Hastings
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I don't bash anything. I point out what is written in the bible and quote from it. It is not what I say that is a problem, just what is written.
And you miss the point of the studies. It is not the government telling us anything, but the research, double blind experiments, etc, that shows that Ivermectin is not particularly effective in treating Covid.
Stories of recoveries are not enough because most people recover regardless. It's not a 100% mortality rate, if you haven't noticed
OK, I'll forget my remark about the test for prophets.

Government officials absolutely made false pronouncements about Covid-19 vaccines, treatments, and prevention. Government restrictions, mandates, and lockdowns did not stop the spread and the vaccines did not work.

What, you expect to get fact, accuracy and truth from politicians? You think they are trustworthy?

The average politician is more concerned with their own image and appearing to do something for the people than actual truth.



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Government and especially the big medical journals and the pharmaceutical companies made it very unpleasant for physicians to prescribe Ivermectin. They leaned on insurance companies not to pay for Ivermectin or Hydroxy. Walmart and the other big pharmacies refused to fill the prescriptions. You reckon the government and "science" wouldn't lie about the evidence that these drugs work???

Big pharma can be as bad as politicians when it comes to protecting their industry and their bottom line.


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If most of Sub Saharan Africa and India along with millions in the U.S. and Australia successfully used veterinary Ivermectin with good results do you think there would be any "scientific" effort to study those results?

What comes out of sub Saharan Africa is not something you should be basing your beliefs on.



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Do you think the survival rate among the Amish in Wayne county Ohio will be studied or do you think some scientist might check with them and see if they had any use of "horse wormer". No, there will be no such investigations and there will be no admissions of the lies, mistakes, failures, and over reactions of science and government all of which caused harm and left very little evidence of benefit.


Once more, rigorous double blind experiments do not show a significant benefit to taking Ivermectin for Covid.

Again;

What do the studies show?

Question Does ivermectin, with a maximum targeted dose of 600 μg/kg daily for 6 days, compared with placebo, shorten symptom duration among adult (≥30 years) outpatients with symptomatic mild to moderate COVID-19?

Findings In this double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled platform trial including 1206 US adults with COVID-19 during February 2022 to July 2022, the median time to sustained recovery was 11 days in the ivermectin group and 11 days in the placebo group. In this largely vaccinated (84%) population, the posterior probability that ivermectin reduced symptom duration by more than 1 day was less than 0.1%.

Meaning These findings do not support the use of ivermectin among outpatients with COVID-19.

Abstract

Importance It is unknown whether ivermectin, with a maximum targeted dose of 600 μg/kg, shortens symptom duration or prevents hospitalization among outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19.

Objective To evaluate the effectiveness of ivermectin at a maximum targeted dose of 600 μg/kg daily for 6 days, compared with placebo, for the treatment of early mild to moderate COVID-19.

Design, Setting, and Participants The ongoing Accelerating COVID-19 Therapeutic Interventions and Vaccines 6 (ACTIV-6) platform randomized clinical trial was designed to evaluate repurposed therapies among outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19. A total of 1206 participants older than 30 years with confirmed COVID-19 experiencing at least 2 symptoms of acute infection for less than or equal to 7 days were enrolled at 93 sites in the US from February 16, 2022, through July 22, 2022, with follow-up data through November 10, 2022.

Interventions Participants were randomly assigned to receive ivermectin, with a maximum targeted dose of 600 μg/kg (n = 602) daily, or placebo (n = 604) for 6 days.

Main Outcomes and Measures The primary outcome was time to sustained recovery, defined as at least 3 consecutive days without symptoms. The 7 secondary outcomes included a composite of hospitalization, death, or urgent/emergent care utilization by day 28.

Results Among 1206 randomized participants who received study medication or placebo, the median (IQR) age was 48 (38-58) years, 713 (59.1%) were women, and 1008 (83.5%) reported receiving at least 2 SARS-CoV-2 vaccine doses. The median (IQR) time to sustained recovery was 11 (11-12) days in the ivermectin group and 11 (11-12) days in the placebo group. The hazard ratio (posterior probability of benefit) for improvement in time to recovery was 1.02 (95% credible interval, 0.92-1.13; P = .68). Among those receiving ivermectin, 34 (5.7%) were hospitalized, died, or had urgent or emergency care visits compared with 36 (6.0%) receiving placebo (hazard ratio, 1.0 [95% credible interval, 0.6-1.5]; P = .53). In the ivermectin group, 1 participant died and 4 were hospitalized (0.8%); 2 participants (0.3%) were hospitalized in the placebo group and there were no deaths. Adverse events were uncommon in both groups.

Conclusions and Relevance Among outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19, treatment with ivermectin, with a maximum targeted dose of 600 μg/kg daily for 6 days, compared with placebo did not improve time to sustained recovery. These findings do not support the use of ivermectin in patients with mild to moderate COVID-19.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827

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Seems there's a strong correlation between belief in conspiracies and belief in gods, go figure.

The 2 most embarrassing actions resulting from covid was the unecessary overpurchase of toilet paper, and the fraudulent proclamation that a horse dewormwer is a successful treatment for it. There are even people still singing praises for the horse butt paste - what is wrong with these people?


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Seems like there’s a strong correlation between dumbfucks and Australian cuckholds. 😂


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Seems like there’s a strong correlation between dumbfucks and Australian cuckholds. 😂


No, it's the relationship between you and intolerance, ignorance and childishness. You as the embodiment of these qualities. A nasty individual who professes to be a Christian, but displays none of the qualities of Christianity. A hypocrite.

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Aww Mauserboy you now are getting mad and resort to cussing and lying about something major medical publications now endorse. I would say you embarrass yourself but that would require a modicon of self awareness. Butt paste, Ar, Biden, we won….Keep digging that hole. I am enjoying the show.


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Seems there's a strong correlation between belief in conspiracies and belief in gods, go figure.

The 2 most embarrassing actions resulting from covid was the unecessary overpurchase of toilet paper, and the fraudulent proclamation that a horse dewormwer is a successful treatment for it. There are even people still singing praises for the horse butt paste - what is wrong with these people?
Would you agree that Ivermectin has been used for hundreds of millions of humans and been proven safe?

Yes it does kill most parasites both internal and external in and on animals and is also proven safe. Is that why you call it "horse dewormer"? Lots of medicines have both human and animal applications.

And Ivermectin does indeed in many cases knock down viral infections. It is not well understood why that is, but it works. I suspect it weakens the virus enough that it cannot replicate and the bodies own defenses kill it off. Just a guess on my part but it does work and that information was suppressed by the powers that be.

Why that information was suppressed in the magnitude it was is an important question. As to your first statement about "belief in conspiracies", has it escaped your notice that many of them are proving true.


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Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Seems there's a strong correlation between belief in conspiracies and belief in gods, go figure.

The 2 most embarrassing actions resulting from covid was the unecessary overpurchase of toilet paper, and the fraudulent proclamation that a horse dewormwer is a successful treatment for it. There are even people still singing praises for the horse butt paste - what is wrong with these people?
Would you agree that Ivermectin has been used for hundreds of millions of humans and been proven safe?

Yes it does kill most parasites both internal and external in and on animals and is also proven safe. Is that why you call it "horse dewormer"? Lots of medicines have both human and animal applications.

And Ivermectin does indeed in many cases knock down viral infections. It is not well understood why that is, but it works. I suspect it weakens the virus enough that it cannot replicate and the bodies own defenses kill it off. Just a guess on my part but it does work and that information was suppressed by the powers that be.

Why that information was suppressed in the magnitude it was is an important question. As to your first statement about "belief in conspiracies", has it escaped your notice that many of them are proving true.

The horse butt paste as a treatment for covid is a well established falsehood. Your opinions on how you think it might work are irrelevent to the facts that it doesn't.

Your faith in conspiracies is as useful as your faith in god - a good example is Jesus's failed apocolyptic claim - it has now become a perpetual "any day now" for the last couple of thousands years now, and still ongoing. It's not hard to see and understand the conditioning that you have been subject to that sets your mindset up for gullible belief.


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Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Seems there's a strong correlation between belief in conspiracies and belief in gods, go figure.

The 2 most embarrassing actions resulting from covid was the unecessary overpurchase of toilet paper, and the fraudulent proclamation that a horse dewormwer is a successful treatment for it. There are even people still singing praises for the horse butt paste - what is wrong with these people?
Would you agree that Ivermectin has been used for hundreds of millions of humans and been proven safe?

Yes it does kill most parasites both internal and external in and on animals and is also proven safe. Is that why you call it "horse dewormer"? Lots of medicines have both human and animal applications.

And Ivermectin does indeed in many cases knock down viral infections. It is not well understood why that is, but it works. I suspect it weakens the virus enough that it cannot replicate and the bodies own defenses kill it off. Just a guess on my part but it does work and that information was suppressed by the powers that be.

Why that information was suppressed in the magnitude it was is an important question. As to your first statement about "belief in conspiracies", has it escaped your notice that many of them are proving true.

The horse butt paste as a treatment for covid is a well established falsehood. Your opinions on how you think it might work are irrelevent to the facts that it doesn't.

Your faith in conspiracies is as useful as your faith in god - a good example is Jesus's failed apocolyptic claim - it has now become a perpetual "any day now" for the last couple of thousands years now, and still ongoing. It's not hard to see and understand the conditioning that you have been subject to that sets your mindset up for gullible belief.
You are getting shrill


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Mauserand9mm: You are obviously a least fairly intelligent. Why don't you do a search on The Journal of Antibiotics on Ivermectin and read their February 15, 2017 article about Ivermectin and its action against parasites and microbes. This article was written long before Ivermectin use for Covid-19 became a controversy.

You see Ivermectin has been used on humans for decades and it is rather disingenuous to disparage it as "horse butt paste". You have to know there has to be some bad motive to the hysteria in the medical hierarchy of the associations and journals concerning the off label use of what was previously known as a wonder drug that saved or improved millions or billions of human lives.

Ivermectin is not "butt paste", it is administered orally, topically, or by injection and the veterinary drugs are exactly the same drug as prescription Ivermectin sold for human use.

Anyway, take a read if you have time and would be willing to see what was said about the drug prior to 2020.

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Aww Mauserboy you now are getting mad and resort to cussing and lying about something major medical publications now endorse. I would say you embarrass yourself but that would require a modicon of self awareness. Butt paste, Ar, Biden, we won….Keep digging that hole. I am enjoying the show.

Nah, it's just that you and your little group of obnoxious blowhards happen to be blind to your own folly. You see only your side of things, believing whatever suits your needs regardless of the truth.

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Originally Posted by Hastings
Mauserand9mm: You are obviously a least fairly intelligent. Why don't you do a search on The Journal of Antibiotics on Ivermectin and read their February 15, 2017 article about Ivermectin and its action against parasites and microbes. This article was written long before Ivermectin use for Covid-19 became a controversy.

You see Ivermectin has been used on humans for decades and it is rather disingenuous to disparage it as "horse butt paste". You have to know there has to be some bad motive to the hysteria in the medical hierarchy of the associations and journals concerning the off label use of what was previously known as a wonder drug that saved or improved millions or billions of human lives.

Ivermectin is not "butt paste", it is administered orally, topically, or by injection and the veterinary drugs are exactly the same drug as prescription Ivermectin sold for human use.

Anyway, take a read if you have time and would be willing to see what was said about the drug prior to 2020.

Best wishes


Why do you ignore rigorous testing and obvious fraud by those who push Ivermectin, and believe in it regardless of its lack of significant efficacy?


''High doses of the drug ivermectin, controversially recommended by some high-profile political and media figures during the COVID-19 pandemic, is ineffective at treating the COVID-19 virus, say University of Oxford- affiliated researchers in a study published today in eLife.''


To quantify the effectiveness of ivermectin against COVID-19, the team used the PLATCOV trial to compare the rates at which different drugs reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 from patients. The study participants were previously healthy adults between the ages of 18–50 with early, symptomatic COVID-19.

Participants were randomized to one of six treatment schedules. There were 205 patients in total; 46 were given a high dose of oral ivermectin daily for a week; 40 were administered the monoclonal antibodies casirivimab and imdevimab (10 prespecified as unblinded for the analysis); 45 received no drugs and the remainder were randomized to other drugs. Swabs were taken serially from the participants' tonsils throughout the course of the study (20 in total per person), allowing the researchers to characterize the decline in the viral load of SARS-CoV-2.

The findings support claims that the drug has little antiviral activity against SARS-CoV-2—and help resolve the controversy about the effectiveness of ivermectin in treating COVID-19.''

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-02-evidence-ivermectin-ineffective-covid-.html

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Too many first hand accounts of Ivermectin working- and working FAST - to counter. There is just no money ion it.


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Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by Hastings
Mauserand9mm: You are obviously a least fairly intelligent. Why don't you do a search on The Journal of Antibiotics on Ivermectin and read their February 15, 2017 article about Ivermectin and its action against parasites and microbes. This article was written long before Ivermectin use for Covid-19 became a controversy.

You see Ivermectin has been used on humans for decades and it is rather disingenuous to disparage it as "horse butt paste". You have to know there has to be some bad motive to the hysteria in the medical hierarchy of the associations and journals concerning the off label use of what was previously known as a wonder drug that saved or improved millions or billions of human lives.

Ivermectin is not "butt paste", it is administered orally, topically, or by injection and the veterinary drugs are exactly the same drug as prescription Ivermectin sold for human use.

Anyway, take a read if you have time and would be willing to see what was said about the drug prior to 2020.

Best wishes


Why do you ignore rigorous testing and obvious fraud by those who push Ivermectin, and believe in it regardless of its lack of significant efficacy?


''High doses of the drug ivermectin, controversially recommended by some high-profile political and media figures during the COVID-19 pandemic, is ineffective at treating the COVID-19 virus, say University of Oxford- affiliated researchers in a study published today in eLife.''


To quantify the effectiveness of ivermectin against COVID-19, the team used the PLATCOV trial to compare the rates at which different drugs reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 from patients. The study participants were previously healthy adults between the ages of 18–50 with early, symptomatic COVID-19.

Participants were randomized to one of six treatment schedules. There were 205 patients in total; 46 were given a high dose of oral ivermectin daily for a week; 40 were administered the monoclonal antibodies casirivimab and imdevimab (10 prespecified as unblinded for the analysis); 45 received no drugs and the remainder were randomized to other drugs. Swabs were taken serially from the participants' tonsils throughout the course of the study (20 in total per person), allowing the researchers to characterize the decline in the viral load of SARS-CoV-2.

The findings support claims that the drug has little antiviral activity against SARS-CoV-2—and help resolve the controversy about the effectiveness of ivermectin in treating COVID-19.''

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-02-evidence-ivermectin-ineffective-covid-.html
I am going to trust studies and data that preceded the Covid-19 scare more than the "information" put out after the big push to disparage the use existing drugs. There was too much money involved in pushing the vaccines that were almost certainly harmful in some cases. And there is the suspicious zeal of the governments in mandating "vaccines" in situations where they could financially frighten employees, corporations, and soldiers into compliance. I have never seen this much hysteria and threatening over the flu epidemics. You were basically free to get a flu vaccine or not.

By the way, as to the flu vaccine. At my wife's busy pediatric practice over half the flu cases are in vaccinated kids.

And as to the safety of the mRNA corona vaccines, I have 3 close acquaintances that died unexpectedly after being shot up with the stuff. And I know a bunch of folks that caught the disease after being "vaccinated".

I know of nobody or no animal being harmed by Ivermectin even when overdosed. I routinely give a 1200 pound cow a 1400 pound dose for good measure and have nothing but good results.


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The atheists remain unblemished and unwavering in their commitment to truth, skepticism and critical thinking -
You might ought to practice a little skepticism concerning medical studies. There is obviously an agenda and obviously official suppression of information as concerns origin of the modified virus and the "mRNA vaccines".

And there is obvious suppression of information about inexpensive alternative treatments and their benefits.


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Originally Posted by Hastings
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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Seems there's a strong correlation between belief in conspiracies and belief in gods, go figure.

The 2 most embarrassing actions resulting from covid was the unecessary overpurchase of toilet paper, and the fraudulent proclamation that a horse dewormwer is a successful treatment for it. There are even people still singing praises for the horse butt paste - what is wrong with these people?
Would you agree that Ivermectin has been used for hundreds of millions of humans and been proven safe?

Yes it does kill most parasites both internal and external in and on animals and is also proven safe. Is that why you call it "horse dewormer"? Lots of medicines have both human and animal applications.

And Ivermectin does indeed in many cases knock down viral infections. It is not well understood why that is, but it works. I suspect it weakens the virus enough that it cannot replicate and the bodies own defenses kill it off. Just a guess on my part but it does work and that information was suppressed by the powers that be.

Why that information was suppressed in the magnitude it was is an important question. As to your first statement about "belief in conspiracies", has it escaped your notice that many of them are proving true.

The horse butt paste as a treatment for covid is a well established falsehood. Your opinions on how you think it might work are irrelevent to the facts that it doesn't.

Your faith in conspiracies is as useful as your faith in god - a good example is Jesus's failed apocolyptic claim - it has now become a perpetual "any day now" for the last couple of thousands years now, and still ongoing. It's not hard to see and understand the conditioning that you have been subject to that sets your mindset up for gullible belief.
You are getting shrill

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Hastings - you are wasting your breath, He swallow's what the government tells him and worships at the atheist alter of self. That way in his mind he is never wrong.

Yes. Sad.


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Good for you.

Right about what? You country's covid death rate is multiple times worse than ours.
Our country's death rate from sickle cell anemia is probably way higher than yours. And obesity, and diabetes, and inner-city homicide. All of these due to the same demographics.

P.S. I'm not conceding as true your statement on Covid's death rate due to lack of information but if true could be because of race and ethnicity differences.


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Seems there's a strong correlation between belief in conspiracies and belief in gods, go figure.

The 2 most embarrassing actions resulting from covid was the unecessary overpurchase of toilet paper, and the fraudulent proclamation that a horse dewormwer is a successful treatment for it. There are even people still singing praises for the horse butt paste - what is wrong with these people?

Which entity do you work for, .gov or one of the 2-3 pharmas that developed the snake oil vax?
There can be no other explanation for this statement.


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I notice that a drug that was hailed as a wonder drug prior to the juiced up bat Coronavirus and the ones that discovered the drug won a Nobel prize is now being derided as “horse butt paste “. What’s up with that? Reckon maybe someone is trying to convince himself that he made the right decision to panic and get shot with a questionable “vaccine “? After my brother got 3 shots and I had to haul him to a cardiac unit almost dead he is now convinced of his mistake but too late. He recently got a case of the bat Corona and took Ivermectin for the cure.


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Aww Mauserboy you now are getting mad and resort to cussing and lying about something major medical publications now endorse. I would say you embarrass yourself but that would require a modicon of self awareness. Butt paste, Ar, Biden, we won….Keep digging that hole. I am enjoying the show.

Nah, it's just that you and your little group of obnoxious blowhards happen to be blind to your own folly. You see only your side of things, believing whatever suits your needs regardless of the truth.


Why do you even come here? All you do is embarrass yourself and every other effeminate Australian that “thinks” like you clowns. You constantly bitch and cry about being treated meanly and how nobody is nice to you so why don’t you fu.ck off and shut up?

Stop being a crybaby pussy and go suck start your long gun.


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