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The Hindenburg didn’t work out well. Wind and solar are less productive, more destructive to our environment and less efficient. All this misery and they cost more. The EV concept is not viable but Musk with the help of governor subsidies and good engineering managed to put lipstick on the pig. Thorium operated reactors would take up less space, be more efficient and be more beneficial to the environment. In the 60’s farmers benefited from propane operated machinery. It burns hotter and is more efficient and has less emissions. Look at who fathered the big push toward global lunacy. Barack Hussein Obama. He will destroy America.
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Maximum torque at any RPM would be the big one for me. The absence of a transmission and diffs would be good as well, if they do a motor per 1 or 2 wheels which they probably won’t because they cant. Big disadvantage is it’d still be a Stellantis product.
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Because Hydrogen is $65 a gallon... Or whatever it is... delivered. Pretty expensive for the most abundant element in the universe…
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Cruise ships have been running on this technology for a very long time as well. Unfortunately it is Stelllantis doing it and not Toyota. The V6 engines Stellantis puts out are horrid.
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There is actually a point to this. It permits the gasoline engine to spend the vast majority of its time operating at the peak efficiency point in terms of engine RPM and torque load. This then gives optimal MPG which I suspect a lot of people will appreciate. Is it worth the cost??? That's a question for the free market to decide. As someone with a background in automotive engineering and heavy duty powertrains, I see what they're doing here and can appreciate the approach. The added cost, weight, and complexity can't be ignored but the end consumer should have the freedom to choose as far as I'm concerned. Let it live or die by the merits.
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liberals biden and democrats wont let this or hybrids last they will want to ban everything that uses gasoline or oil products ,they have pretty much said as such
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Gas / electric drive with capacitor? Yes
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Gas / electric drive with capacitor? Yes
EV? Nope Flux capacitor??? 😵💫
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Let's see... GM Electromotive has only been doing this for... the past 100 years ??? Yep. I don't know why the heck they don't call this what it really is: A serial hybrid. But you have to appease the "All EV at all costs" folks, I guess. There is actually a point to this. It permits the gasoline engine to spend the vast majority of its time operating at the peak efficiency point in terms of engine RPM and torque load. This then gives optimal MPG which I suspect a lot of people will appreciate. Is it worth the cost??? That's a question for the free market to decide. As someone with a background in automotive engineering and heavy duty powertrains, I see what they're doing here and can appreciate the approach. The added cost, weight, and complexity can't be ignored but the end consumer should have the freedom to choose as far as I'm concerned. Let it live or die by the merits. Quit being sensible, it's frowned upon in this forum. Well, and by the EPA, CARB, elites etc...
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I've wondered for years why locomotives work that way, assuming that it must make sense for them. What say you train folks?
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I've heard that 95% of all EV's produced are still on the road..........
Seems the other 5% made it home.
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The article did not say what the mpg was for the gas used to do all this. It said 690mi range, but how much gas did it take to make it happen? What is the tank size?
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I've wondered for years why locomotives work that way, assuming that it must make sense for them. What say you train folks? From what I've been told, Diesel-Electric has insant torque and is more efficient that a Diesel alone.
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I like the 7.2kwatt generator in my f150 powerboost. It's great for tailgate parties and camping. My f150 has a ton of power but it's twin turbo v6 is mated to the drive train along with the extra electric motor. In a race I was barely behind a trx ram at a quarter mile. I was right on his super charged bumper but I get twice the gas mileage my friends trx does.
I think diesel electric hybrids is where some real potential lies. I'd like to see a smaller diesel with an electric hybrid system in a truck. The 3.0 duranax is already getting up around 30 mpg in the half tons and they run pretty strong.
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I don't get why a diesel electric hybrid hasn't been made yet.. probably too good, too reliable and too fuel efficient...
it gives nothing for the government and the greenies to b itch about, so they b itch all the more in protest.
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Poof…. They’ll burn half the country down.
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There is actually a point to this. It permits the gasoline engine to spend the vast majority of its time operating at the peak efficiency point in terms of engine RPM and torque load. This then gives optimal MPG which I suspect a lot of people will appreciate. Is it worth the cost??? That's a question for the free market to decide. As someone with a background in automotive engineering and heavy duty powertrains, I see what they're doing here and can appreciate the approach. The added cost, weight, and complexity can't be ignored but the end consumer should have the freedom to choose as far as I'm concerned. Let it live or die by the merits. For a long time I've been pondering a girdled, small, aluminum block, diesel as the power source for a locomotive set up. Because it would be attached to a computer controlled generator, the engine would never be subject to shock loads, or lugging, loads would be known beforehand and controlled, so it could be lighter than most diesels. Since the motors would take care of varying speed issues, everything in the engine could be optimized for efficiency at the specific rpm it operates at.
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Using locomotives as a comparison to EV's is bogus. The locomotive is engineered to move massive payloads over long distances. The tanks hold 5K gallons of diesel each. One tank on each side. The road engines are massive and weigh 100-200 Tons.
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