Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Need some help…History

Several years ago, maybe 4-5 years back, I was reading an article that was explaining the ‘Consequences of our government not working in the interest of all Americans’.

The article had a quote that appeared to have been gleaned from an actual document our founding fathers might have written.

(paraphrasing, here) The language said something like…

“If political parties or individual politicians, both on a Federal or State level are acting in a manner that undermines the sovereignty and freedoms of Americans”. “The people are just in removing the party or individual from office by any means, including using force of violence.”

I’ve tried over the years to locate this information, written in a context, that gives the impression that a Revolution is permissible for the above reason.

Anyone know, if these words are part of any document our founders might have written? Or, just the ramblings of some author who wrote the article I had read.

Thanks.

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I was going to say something offensive to you Mark, but can't due to the nature of this business !

Paul, you know I love offensive replies. But not quite as much a PaulyBarnyard does.

Lol

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PS

Has Deb, shot herself a buck yet?

Not yet, Mate.

Had a nice one come in "right on lights out", Sunday evening.

She's itchin to get back out.

Fuggin fall back, means no hunting after work, now !

I predict Sat/Sun, she will supply groceries.

Can't help you with a specific quote but that is one of the main reasons the founders acknowledged the 2nd amendment. Jefferson mentioned watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants and patriots when necessary. The bottom quote in my sig. line adds to the sentiment as well.

In the Declaration it states that “whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.”

The Federalist papers goes into detail as well but can't remember which.

Dude, I appreciate that information. I will check those sources more closely. It’s been frustrating trying to locate the quote for a long while.

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That’s it!

JFC, my history schooling sucked ass.

Thanks, RR. My search is done.

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I would check in the Constitution, I believe it says something there. In fact, it states it's our DUTY to do so.

In further searching, I ran into this webpage:


https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/creating-the-united-states/formation-of-political-parties.html




The more things change, the more they stay the same???

It won't be a quote from the Founding Fathers because when they founded this nation there was no such thing as political parties. Those came later. That is one of the reasons they used the word "factions" in the Federalist Papers because political parties had not been invented yet. And I don't believe it is an actual quote. Looks to me like it was jobbed together from several quotes into one which is actually pretty common.

Not sure what you're talking about, but I meant to have a link in that post above. I have edited the post and added the link. Maybe that will clear it up for you.

Ooohhhh, wait...you never even read the entire thread (my best guess).

Hmm…Okay, I will check there too.

It’s interesting that the Founders wrote in several places the importance of removing a government that is working for themselves and not for the better of our nation and its peoples.

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I’m of the belief our Founders didn’t write something to be confused. If they wrote about the responsibility of the populace to displace a ‘shady’ government. They meant it.

We The People…

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Fear the people with the least to lose and the means to do something about it.

Considering that what the Founders were dealing with at the time, THROWING OUT the British government, it’s something that they put a lot of thought and effort into. They watched as governments and monarchs of Europe trampled the individual’s rights or failed to acknowledge the inherent rights bestowed upon all by their CREATOR and they knew that unchecked power created tyrants and despots which is why they provided remedy in the New World against tyranny. They were wholly consumed with abolishing the chains that bound them to the British Crown and they sought to do so with credibility and legitimacy through our Declaration of Independence. The copious volumes of writings from our Founders illustrates the lengths they went to in order to Affect a better government and the mental anguish they felt knowing that they were doing something that HAD to be done but the costs for asserting independence were GREAT! Still though they knew that they were no longer willing to live on their knees and abolishing a despotic British government HAD to be successful in order for Freedom to reign in the New World. They chose BRAVELY to fight against the world’s most powerful military at the time knowing that dying on their feet was preferable to continuing to live on their knees.

I fear we’re well past the time to take back our corrupt and despotic government and transform it once again into the harbinger of Freedom and Liberty the Founding Fathers envisioned!

I recall a quote mentioning "the right and the duty" to abolish tyrannical government or something to that effect, but I couldn't say where to save my life.

The Federalist Papers is FULL of the Founders' thoughts. I've read bits and pieces, but now that I've retired and can't hunt and shoot ALL the damned time I think I'll knuckle down and work my way through it.

The increasing taxation of the colonies only made the British throne stronger against the colonists. In other words, using taxation to levy more brutal and eventuallly more barbarian tactics against the populace. Sound familiar?