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Colion Noir says yes, per 5th Appeals Court.


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District court out of Texas said it was dead in its entirety based on 5th Circuit precedent in Mock v. Garland.

Of course, this will be appealed, so, we'll see what happens.

But for now, the zombie is dead.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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It's not "really" dead until you can buy braced handgun AR's from retailers again like we could for over a decade.

That said, it would be a legit nightmare for the feds to try and prosecute anyone for an NFA violation for possession of a firearm that they approved numerous times, in writing, as legal.

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Always wanted one. Maybe the scare tactic by the Feds was all that was planned. No manufacturer or dealer probably has the balls to ship those or sell them again.


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Having owned and shot several .223 SBRs, I quickly got the whole .223 pistol notion out of my mind. More muzzle blast at the cost of performance and accuracy doesn't compute for me.

The pistol brace thing was a blatant move against the NFA. Who's kidding who - a "brace" you can shoulder in order to call it a pistol was nonsensical. All that said, I still support owning and using one if you are so inclined. Anything to destroy or erode the NFA is all good in my books even if the means is meaningless.

Pistol braces and bump stocks belong in the same clown car.

Carry on...

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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Having owned and shot several .223 SBRs, I quickly got the whole .223 pistol notion out of my mind. More muzzle blast at the cost of performance and accuracy doesn't compute for me.

The pistol brace thing was a blatant move against the NFA. Who's kidding who - a "brace" you can shoulder in order to call it a pistol was nonsensical. All that said, I still support owning and using one if you are so inclined. Anything to destroy or erode the NFA is all good in my books even if the means is meaningless.

Pistol braces and bump stocks belong in the same clown car.

Carry on...

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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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The entire Gun World was in shambles, waiting for Noir's opinion - it had to be Noir!...when it was so easy to read the original document.

Britto v ATF


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Had a couple that were pretty swell....


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Having owned and shot several .223 SBRs, I quickly got the whole .223 pistol notion out of my mind. More muzzle blast at the cost of performance and accuracy doesn't compute for me.

The pistol brace thing was a blatant move against the NFA. Who's kidding who - a "brace" you can shoulder in order to call it a pistol was nonsensical. All that said, I still support owning and using one if you are so inclined. Anything to destroy or erode the NFA is all good in my books even if the means is meaningless.

Pistol braces and bump stocks belong in the same clown car.

Carry on...

You're missing the point:



And by the time he did that cute little dance, he'd have three .45's in his chest and one in his head. But it looks cool and tactical and all so carry on.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Having owned and shot several .223 SBRs, I quickly got the whole .223 pistol notion out of my mind. More muzzle blast at the cost of performance and accuracy doesn't compute for me.

The pistol brace thing was a blatant move against the NFA. Who's kidding who - a "brace" you can shoulder in order to call it a pistol was nonsensical. All that said, I still support owning and using one if you are so inclined. Anything to destroy or erode the NFA is all good in my books even if the means is meaningless.

Pistol braces and bump stocks belong in the same clown car.

Carry on...

You're missing the point:


Yep ! It’s lost on a lot here.


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Originally Posted by CopperSolid
The entire Gun World was in shambles, waiting for Noir's opinion - it had to be Noir!...when it was so easy to read the original document.

Britto v ATF


Gee, I guess I missed that on my YT feed page. I did see the same info from other YT channels I subscribe to, but Colion is actually a lawyer, of some sort. So I gave his vid the first look.

Thought it was shareworthy. But I'm more interested in gun related news, than the tripe up top on the old ladies knitting circle.

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It ain't over until the fat lady sings!


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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
It ain't over until the fat lady sings!

True.

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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Having owned and shot several .223 SBRs, I quickly got the whole .223 pistol notion out of my mind. More muzzle blast at the cost of performance and accuracy doesn't compute for me.
They occupy a space between pistols and rifles for both accuracy & power. Great tools for shooting from a driver's seat.


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Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Having owned and shot several .223 SBRs, I quickly got the whole .223 pistol notion out of my mind. More muzzle blast at the cost of performance and accuracy doesn't compute for me.

The pistol brace thing was a blatant move against the NFA. Who's kidding who - a "brace" you can shoulder in order to call it a pistol was nonsensical. All that said, I still support owning and using one if you are so inclined. Anything to destroy or erode the NFA is all good in my books even if the means is meaningless.

Pistol braces and bump stocks belong in the same clown car.

Carry on...

You're missing the point:


Yep ! It’s lost on a lot here.

This set up can legally be carried in my truck loaded because it’s considered a pistol. Can’t do that with a rifle. Or you could just put a pistol brace on whatever upper you would like, and legally in my state, carry it loaded in your vehicle if you so desire. This is a no-brainer!

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Originally Posted by BamBam
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Having owned and shot several .223 SBRs, I quickly got the whole .223 pistol notion out of my mind. More muzzle blast at the cost of performance and accuracy doesn't compute for me.

The pistol brace thing was a blatant move against the NFA. Who's kidding who - a "brace" you can shoulder in order to call it a pistol was nonsensical. All that said, I still support owning and using one if you are so inclined. Anything to destroy or erode the NFA is all good in my books even if the means is meaningless.

Pistol braces and bump stocks belong in the same clown car.

Carry on...

You're missing the point:


Yep ! It’s lost on a lot here.

This set up can legally be carried in my truck loaded because it’s considered a pistol. Can’t do that with a rifle. Or you could just put a pistol brace on whatever upper you would like, and legally in my state, carry it loaded in your vehicle if you so desire. This is a no-brainer!

Yeah, we had that silly rule in WV until a couple of years ago, along with some other nonsense about what you could carry in the woods for protection. They fixed it finally. Personally, I’d rather tote a folding rifle, but that’s just one old fart’s notion.


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Personally if people could read and understand the 2A the NFA and GCA of 68 should be removed. Citizens have the right to own military weapons per the 2A.

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Originally Posted by goalie
It's not "really" dead until you can buy braced handgun AR's from retailers again like we could for over a decade.

That said, it would be a legit nightmare for the feds to try and prosecute anyone for an NFA violation for possession of a firearm that they approved numerous times, in writing, as legal.


But they said those letters don't mean nothing anymore. Their newest letter said you can't now and it's somehow more important than their old letter [rollyeyes]

I think "rescinded" was the word they used.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Originally Posted by CopperSolid
The entire Gun World was in shambles, waiting for Noir's opinion - it had to be Noir!...when it was so easy to read the original document.

Britto v ATF


Gee, I guess I missed that on my YT feed page. I did see the same info from other YT channels I subscribe to, but Colion is actually a lawyer, of some sort. So I gave his vid the first look.

Thought it was shareworthy. But I'm more interested in gun related news, than the tripe up top on the old ladies knitting circle.

So am I. I just happen to dislike the Cult of Noir.

Thank you for your service, MM.


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Originally Posted by CopperSolid
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Originally Posted by CopperSolid
The entire Gun World was in shambles, waiting for Noir's opinion - it had to be Noir!...when it was so easy to read the original document.

Britto v ATF


Gee, I guess I missed that on my YT feed page. I did see the same info from other YT channels I subscribe to, but Colion is actually a lawyer, of some sort. So I gave his vid the first look.

Thought it was shareworthy. But I'm more interested in gun related news, than the tripe up top on the old ladies knitting circle.

So am I. I just happen to dislike the Cult of Noir.

Thank you for your service, MM.

I get feeds from a few of the popular gun YT channels, Colion Noir, MrGunsngear, AKOU 4774, IV8888, and a few others.

My favorite is probably Brandon Herrera.

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