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Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin
SS is a schit program and should be cancelled immediately! I would vote for Haley on that one alone. Funny everyone bitching about socialism but that’s exactly what sosecurity is! If you are too stupid to invest in your own retirement; then too bad! You should have to work til you die because all you can donis subsist on what sosecurity gives you. Here’s the offramp: Those who are already retired get to keep it. 55+, yours is prorated. Anyone under 55 gets the money they contributed in an IRA of their own choosing. Frankly, you’re a fool if you are counting on SS for your retirement.

I would gladly let the government keep what I have contributed if they would just quit stealing from me. I get the privilege of paying 15.3% of my gross income because I have the audacity to actually work for myself. The government pays you less than 2% on the money you contributed. Can you imagine if I had that $ in a 401k? It would be worth multi-millions at retirement and I would actually own it. My first wife died at 43. The government is keeping every single penny of what she contributed for 20 years of her working life.
I know youre trying to make a point, so im hoping thats all this is because no one in their right mind would vote for that pile of chit


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“65 years old is way to low.” In others words as the OP said work until you’re dead.

Nobody can afford to retire on SS and Medicare anyhow. So what she really means is the government should keep taxing the hell out of you and you’re employer for SS benefits but raise the age high enough that the government gets to keep it all.

That’s the same ole neocon Republican talking points going back as far as I can remember.


If you are sitting in an airconditioned office, like all these butt licks do, sure it's too soon. Try ten hrs. of welding and throwing steel around. Anything that takes actual work, wears people out, yup, just work them to death, keep them paying taxes 'till they die.........God love America!!! The land of the FREE?

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Exactly. But they’ll throw you a bone at election time and talk about how the middle class built this country.

Haley and most of the elite class that she socializes with. Love the limelight and power. They have hired help to do most of their household work and can’t imagine giving up the careers that keep them in the limelight and feeling relevant even when they’re on deaths door.

She values feeling powerful and relevant more than anything else and cannot imagine a typical person that works most of their life at a typical job, even one in an office and much less one doing physically demanding work that Lord forbid wants to retire at 65 and enjoy life.

It comes down to that and or them just wanting more money in the governments pocket.

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Hinduwhore never was closer than a hundred feet to anybody who has had to bust ass for a paycheck. The .gov elites just infuriate me.

We have in our govt service sector the largest collection of thieves, pervs, ignorant, incompetent, blundering idiots ever seen in world history. They accomplish nothing that actually works, what does work they tinker with until it doesn't work, they produce nothing, they prevent nothing, they guard nothing, they have insinuated themselves into every sector of the economy, banking, education, border security, taxing, housing, healthcare, transportation, communication, farming, water, mining and petroleum, wildlife management, forestry, foreign relations (money laundering scheme) etc.... and well and truly f...ked up everything they have ever touched.

Please change my mind.


Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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The stupid fugk, Bristoe would love for you to work until you fall over dead. LOL


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Lemme get you so fired up, you’ll keep voting the status quo. Just wait


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Originally Posted by Gypsy_Wind
I like how someone told her to use her kids as an example. Like their positions on the board at Raytheon are going to require them to punch a clock after age 50.

Piss on this war monger and the jet she flew in on. Cutting entitlements to illegals, reforming the disability and welfare systems and stoping funding nation building would be a much more productive start.


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The Social Security scheme is sure enough socialism and the actuarial calculations in 1930 had the life expectancy well below 65 years. The program cannot continue for a lot of reasons. It was a Ponzi scheme from the start. I am absolutely against Ms. Haley's stand on foreign military adventures but she is absolutely correct that Social Security cannot continue to pay out to people who are going to live another 20 years. The arithmetic is clear, it is unsustainable.

A big issue with social security is the number of working people such state, county, municipal, railroad, and maybe even federal that are exempt and do not pay in.

The baby boom generation is too big and living too long and produced too few children. Another thing that needs to be addressed is wealthy people drawing $5000 or more per couple. Means testing might be in order.


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Originally Posted by flintlocke
Hinduwhore never was closer than a hundred feet to anybody who has had to bust ass for a paycheck. The .gov elites just infuriate me.

We have in our govt service sector the largest collection of thieves, pervs, ignorant, incompetent, blundering idiots ever seen in world history. They accomplish nothing that actually works, what does work they tinker with until it doesn't work, they produce nothing, they prevent nothing, they guard nothing, they have insinuated themselves into every sector of the economy, banking, education, border security, taxing, housing, healthcare, transportation, communication, farming, water, mining and petroleum, wildlife management, forestry, foreign relations (money laundering scheme) etc.... and well and truly f...ked up everything they have ever touched.

Please change my mind.

Tell me some thing, flintlocke. What's YOUR solution for Social Security? The trustees of Social Security say it will go bankrupt (i.e. no benefits) in 2033 unless somehow the age for benefits is increased or (b) Social Security taxes are increased.

So pick one.

And, BTW, Haley never said, and does not think, that US troops should be committed to the Israel war against Hamas.


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The solution is to return it to its original trust format. Enforce the 40 quarters rule and maybe raise it to 60 quarters. SS only available to legal US citizens and fully vests at age 67.


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Uh, no she does not. In any event, Social security is insolvent and will go tits up in a few years resulting in at least a 25% cut in benefits. What is your proposal to fix that? Any reasonable solution must include some increase in retirement age, even a small one. When Social Security was conceived (1935) male life expectancy was 58 (benefits kicked in at 65). Today, average male life expectancy is 76.1 years with full benefits kicking in at 66 years and some months for most people.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/mar/08/glenn-beck/Glenn-Beck-Social-Security-life-expectancy/#:~:text=To%20show%20that%20Social%20Security%20today%20is%20not,age%20expectancy%20for%20the%20average%20man%20was%2058.

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Originally Posted by Tarquin


Social security is insolvent and will go tits up in a few years resulting in at least a 25% cut in benefits. What is your proposal to fix that?

Stop sending hundreds of billions of dollars around the world to finance wars would be #1. Nikki Haley won't do that, of course. She's the war party candidate.

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Here is my take on it for what it’s worth anyway. 😂

I am not planning on getting anything from social security. It’ll be gone by the time I get close to retirement. We will all be working long last retirement age unless pre planning took place anyway.

Also, stop calling it an entitlement. If someone didn’t pay into SS they aren’t entitled to it!! If they did, it’s not an entitlement, it is money taken without consent, spent without consent, age of retirement screwed around with without consent. Period. I don’t need Nikki Haley to tell me it’s bankrupt. She didn’t do it. We have had a few decades of a revolving door of 535 crooks that did whatever they wanted with SS and they then wring their hands that if we don’t re-elect them the opposing party might do something with our SS. Screw em all.


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Haley doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell .

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Originally Posted by Tarquin


Social security is insolvent and will go tits up in a few years resulting in at least a 25% cut in benefits. What is your proposal to fix that? Any reasonable solution must include some increase in retirement age, even a small one. When Social Security was conceived (1935) male life expectancy was 58 (benefits kicked in at 65). Today, average male life expectancy is 76.1 years.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/mar/08/glenn-beck/Glenn-Beck-Social-Security-life-expectancy/#:~:text=To%20show%20that%20Social%20Security%20today%20is%20not,age%20expectancy%20for%20the%20average%20man%20was%2058.
The government has been claiming that for as far back as I can remember. The 1980’s at least.

They could end the program and refund us all of the money that they’ve taken in both real wages and taxes on our employers with interest but they’re not about to do that.

It was a socialist Ponzi scheme from the start. The government likes the money and the control. They’re not about to give any of it back. They just want to keep more of it. End it and refund the money (they should but won’t) or shut the [bleep] up Haley.

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That's why we don't want her here in SC. Didn't vote for her when she got elected. Couldn't wait to vote her red azz out! She burned all her bridges here. She wouldn't even be able to win SC if she was gonna be a frontrunner.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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Social security is insolvent and will go tits up in a few years resulting in at least a 25% cut in benefits. What is your proposal to fix that?

Stop sending hundreds of billions of dollars around the world to finance wars would be #1. Nikki Haley won't do that, of course. She's the war party candidate.

Yep. They’d rather finance that Bullschitt in Ukraine and all the illegals & kneegros on Welfare than pay back the folks that actually paid taxes and social security “funding” all of their life’s.

If there’s still a “fair election” 🤪, Trump will smoke the Dot Head C.unt and then Lying Hiden Biden.

But idiots like TarQueen will still vote for Biden and the DemonRats despite them destroying America.


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But idiots like TarQueen will still vote for Biden and the DemonRats despite them destroying America.

He's a Nikki Haley supporter.

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Originally Posted by wilkeshunter
Local talk show guy just called her a democrat that had to join the Republican Party to get elected in S.C.

Democrat Psha...

She represents the UN


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Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by Tarquin


Social security is insolvent and will go tits up in a few years resulting in at least a 25% cut in benefits. What is your proposal to fix that? Any reasonable solution must include some increase in retirement age, even a small one. When Social Security was conceived (1935) male life expectancy was 58 (benefits kicked in at 65). Today, average male life expectancy is 76.1 years.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/mar/08/glenn-beck/Glenn-Beck-Social-Security-life-expectancy/#:~:text=To%20show%20that%20Social%20Security%20today%20is%20not,age%20expectancy%20for%20the%20average%20man%20was%2058.
The government has been claiming that for as far back as I can remember. The 1980’s at least.

They could end the program and refund us all of the money that they’ve taken in both real wages and taxes on our employers with interest but they’re not about to do that.

It was a socialist Ponzi scheme from the start. The government likes the money and the control. They’re not about to give any of it back. They just want to keep more of it. End it and refund the money (they should but won’t) or shut the [bleep] up Haley.

Yes, it is a socialist ponzi scheme. But there isn't enough money to refund what you've paid in. If there was, SS wouldn't be insolvent! The question remains: how do we fix it for people who relied on the gubmint's promises?


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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But idiots like TarQueen will still vote for Biden and the DemonRats despite them destroying America.

He's a Nikki Haley supporter.

Actually I'm not, but even if I was it would be irrelevant to the issue under discussion. Logic is simple Bristoe. Concentrate hard and you just might grasp it!


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