What does still make me cringe though are cutesy names we give to cartridges, ie: .257 "Bob", .300 "Bee", etc. In the end it's of little consequence, but my strange self takes a bit of umbrage at the blatant disrespect of a man's name (the inventor) simply because of a need to be cute (or fingers too tired to type the whole name). See, I said it was of little consequence!
Oh yeah, "boolit" too. That's just a case of transcribing local accents/vernaculars into written English - rather a lot like what Ebonics does....
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"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
how late friend of mine was always bothered by the word node.. it just drove me nuts and that's funny it's called get out to me hell don't worry about it..
I was thinking recently how some people and manufacturers use words which are incorrect. For example, "My favorite caliber is the 30-06." When they should have said, "My favorite chambering and cartridge is the 30-06." Or they refer to a cartridge as a bullet, although a bullet is part of the cartridge it is not the whole. What are some examples that you hear which make you cringe a little?
I get a laugh when folks get so riled up over semantics.
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It seems many folks want to rgue clip vs magazine, point blank, caliber vs. chambering and cartridge, bullet vs. cartridge, and i get that. But, there's one "wrong" series of descriptors that I've never seen argued - that of metric equivalents. We all "know" 7.62mm is .308", but that's not correct - it's .300". 6mm is not .243" (or .244") - it's actually .236". 7mm is not .284" - it's actually .276". 8mm is not .323" (or .318", etc.) - it's actually .315", and so on.
Go ahead - look them up while I get some popcorn...
It seems many folks want to rgue clip vs magazine, point blank, caliber vs. chambering and cartridge, bullet vs. cartridge, and i get that. But, there's one "wrong" series of descriptors that I've never seen argued - that of metric equivalents. We all "know" 7.62mm is .308", but that's not correct - it's .300". 6mm is not .243" (or .244") - it's actually .236". 7mm is not .284" - it's actually .276". 8mm is not .323" (or .318", etc.) - it's actually .315", and so on.
Go ahead - look them up while I get some popcorn...
It seems many folks want to rgue clip vs magazine, point blank, caliber vs. chambering and cartridge, bullet vs. cartridge, and i get that. But, there's one "wrong" series of descriptors that I've never seen argued - that of metric equivalents. We all "know" 7.62mm is .308", but that's not correct - it's .300". 6mm is not .243" (or .244") - it's actually .236". 7mm is not .284" - it's actually .276". 8mm is not .323" (or .318", etc.) - it's actually .315", and so on.
Go ahead - look them up while I get some popcorn...
It seems many folks want to rgue clip vs magazine, point blank, caliber vs. chambering and cartridge, bullet vs. cartridge, and i get that. But, there's one "wrong" series of descriptors that I've never seen argued - that of metric equivalents. We all "know" 7.62mm is .308", but that's not correct - it's .300". 6mm is not .243" (or .244") - it's actually .236". 7mm is not .284" - it's actually .276". 8mm is not .323" (or .318", etc.) - it's actually .315", and so on.
Go ahead - look them up while I get some popcorn...
Huh? Since when has that been news? the fact that 6mm = 0.236" was well known in the early 1890s, for example.
There's nothing wrong about it either, it is just based on a naming convention of using the bore (land) diameter rather than groove or bullet diameter.
Examples abound of the same approach being taken with calibres denominated in inches. The .30 US Gov't, .300 Savage and .30-30 all use a .308" diameter bullet, for example.
Where it gets more confusing is where a cartridge is named for neither bore diameter, groove diameter nor bullet diameter. How is it for example that .218 Bee, .219 Zipper and .225 Winchester all use the same diameter bullet?
"410 Gauge", rather than ".410 Bore" shotguns and shells.
One of the gun-writers back in the late '70's or '80's complained about other writers using unnecessarily flowery verbiage such as "piquant bruin" rather than "bear" or "ruddy ungulate" rather than "elk", and so on.
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I have enjoyed reading all of the responses, even those who say they are amused by it. One thing is for sure, if you commented on this thread you were triggered. None of us are perfect. Lol
English is not static, rather it is constantly changing. If large number of people use the term, it becomes the understood term and thus the correct term.
As things go that may be what happens but acceptance does not make bastardization of the language correct.
The printing press began the trend toward standardized spelling and stabilization of the English language and others. That is well established. Modern electronic voice recording and communication did much the same to standardize American English, in my opinion. Just listen to the speech of actors from various parts of the country in movies that were made in the 30s and 40s and compare that to the speech we hear in movies these days. Whether or not I am correct about that can be argued, but that's how I see it.
You'd think (maybe) that the proliferation of electronic means of communication would further stabilize pronunciation, accents, and other aspects of the spoken language AND the written language. It's curious that almost the exact opposite has taken place. I think it's a pretty interesting subject.
In the political and social realms, imprecise language is a plague. I could go into that in some depth but that's another rabbit hole altogether. Suffice it to say that the left has hijacked the language to the point that we can hardly combat their aims and whims.
I think precise communication is a lot more important than folks seem to recognize, and I would side with Jack O'Connor. I just have to wonder how badly he would tear me up, though.
Don't be the darkness.
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English is not static, rather it is constantly changing. If large number of people use the term, it becomes the understood term and thus the correct term.
As things go that may be what happens but acceptance does not make bastardization of the language correct.
The printing press began the trend toward standardized spelling and stabilization of the English language and others. That is well established. Modern electronic voice recording and communication did much the same to standardize American English, in my opinion. Just listen to the speech of actors from various parts of the country in movies that were made in the 30s and 40s and compare that to the speech we hear in movies these days. Whether or not I am correct about that can be argued, but that's how I see it.
You'd think (maybe) that the proliferation of electronic means of communication would further stabilize pronunciation, accents, and other aspects of the spoken language AND the written language. It's curious that almost the exact opposite has taken place. I think it's a pretty interesting subject.
In the political and social realms, imprecise language is a plague. I could go into that in some depth but that's another rabbit hole altogether. Suffice it to say that the left has hijacked the language to the point that we can hardly combat their aims and whims.
I think precise communication is a lot more important than folks seem to recognize, and I would side with Jack O'Connor. I just have to wonder how badly he would tear me up, though.
Well said.
"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
Met a fellow at the local rifle range recently. He showed me his brush buster cartridge with a round nose bullet . I asked him did he shoot it through brush at game . He said always .I asked if he ever hit the game he shot at? He said sometimes .
Its all right to be white!! Stupidity left unattended will run rampant Don't argue with stupid people, They will drag you down to their level and then win by experience
English is not static, rather it is constantly changing. If large number of people use the term, it becomes the understood term and thus the correct term.
As things go that may be what happens but acceptance does not make bastardization of the language correct.
The printing press began the trend toward standardized spelling and stabilization of the English language and others. That is well established. Modern electronic voice recording and communication did much the same to standardize American English, in my opinion. Just listen to the speech of actors from various parts of the country in movies that were made in the 30s and 40s and compare that to the speech we hear in movies these days. Whether or not I am correct about that can be argued, but that's how I see it.
You'd think (maybe) that the proliferation of electronic means of communication would further stabilize pronunciation, accents, and other aspects of the spoken language AND the written language. It's curious that almost the exact opposite has taken place. I think it's a pretty interesting subject.
In the political and social realms, imprecise language is a plague. I could go into that in some depth but that's another rabbit hole altogether. Suffice it to say that the left has hijacked the language to the point that we can hardly combat their aims and whims.
I think precise communication is a lot more important than folks seem to recognize, and I would side with Jack O'Connor. I just have to wonder how badly he would tear me up, though.
There is no such thing as standardized American English language anymore. The basterdization started in the late 60’s, then in the mid 90’s with computers proliferation it got worse. Now if you don’t have spell check they are lost, do they even teach sentence and paragraph structure anymore in school, probably not as that isn’t inclusive enough and it means assimilation into our society which can’t be tolerated or allowed.
I pay no mind to most of it but,,,,, but hearing a firearm or cartridge called a pew or pew pew used to nearly set me off.
Then there's, SHOTTY.
And then there's TIPs or BULLET HEADs. Folks that usualy say that are thinking a bullet is the case & the projectile is a tip or head. Had some cases & bullets F/S once & a guy wanted the brass but said he was flush with tips. That one had me confused for a bit.
You'd think (maybe) that the proliferation of electronic means of communication would further stabilize pronunciation, accents, and other aspects of the spoken language AND the written language. It's curious that almost the exact opposite has taken place. I think it's a pretty interesting subject.
This is a long one but a good documentary on the origin and evolution of our language
You'd think (maybe) that the proliferation of electronic means of communication would further stabilize pronunciation, accents, and other aspects of the spoken language AND the written language. It's curious that almost the exact opposite has taken place. I think it's a pretty interesting subject.
This is a long one but a good documentary on the origin and evolution of our language
I scanned through a few spots of that and may one day take the time to see it in its entirety, but I got a sense of what it is about. It might complement a course I took in college pretty well, "History and Structure of the English Language." It was the most interesting course I ever had, believe it or not, and I was genuinely disappointed when the semester came to an end. That was 1989, but I do recall a good deal of it. Based on watching snippets of the video, it seems to be focused in detail on certain historical events of significance. I can see that it is by no means a comprehensive history, but four hours just isn't enough time for that.
Don't be the darkness.
America will perish while those who should be standing guard are satisfying their lusts.
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