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My deer load of 56.5gr H4831SC and a Hornady 150 killed a coyote at 30 feet. So there’s that. 🫤
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Townsend Whelen's favorite load in the .270 was using the 140 grain Western Tool & Copper Works bullet, until they stopped making that bullet. Would anyone happen to know the velocity he was getting? I assume it was approx. 3000 fps. as that was the velocity J.O'C said he (J.O'C) got when using the 140 grain bullet. Where was the 140-grain Western Tool & Copper Works bullet being Townsend Whelen's favorite mentioned? From "An Introduction to Reloading Part V: Loads" by Townsend Whelen ( The American Rifleman, 1936):
.270 W.C.F.: Winchester has standard-
ized their factory load with 139-grain bul-
let to give M.V. 3160 f.-s. Other com-
panies load to about 100 f.-s. lower veloc-
ity. My experience has been that hand-
loaders cannot approach close to these
velocities without decidedly running into
high and dangerous pressures. Due to the
danger of running into high pressures with
this cartridge I would caution against using
any case that has ever been fired with a
mercuric primer. Use the F.A. No. 70,
Remington No. 8 1/2, or Winchester No. 115
primers. My best loads have been the 139-
grain Winchester or Western Tool and
Copper Works bullets with 53 grains of
du Pont No. 15 1/2 powder, which gives
M.V. of about 3,000 f.-s.; and the 145-
grain W. T. and C. bullet or the 150-grain
Western soft-point bullet, with 48 grains
of du Pont No. 15 1/2 powder, giving about
2700 f.-s. M.V. These seem to be the
maximum safe charges, because increasing
either by only one-half grain begins to
show clear indication of high pressure. I
tried du Pont No. 17 1/2 powder, but it did
not give nearly as good accuracy, and I do
not believe it gave such high velocity in
safe charges. Both of the above loads are
very accurate, practically all groups going
under 2 inches at 100 yards, with many as
small as 1 3/4 inches. I think that probably
the new du Pont No. 4064 powder will
prove even better than No. 15 1/2, but I do
not know of its having been tried as yet.
In any event, start low with any new pow-
der in this cartridge, and work up a half-
grain at a time. Thanks for that information. In Mister Rifleman (published around 1965 after his death in 1961) chapter titled "Is There An All-Round Hunting Rifle" under the heading The .270 Winchester on page 247 he discusses the 140 grain Western Tool & Copper Works bullet. Would you happen to know the barrel length of his .270 to get 3000 fps (I assume 24")? Those data were probably for a 24" barrel, like Whelen's Model 54. I asked about the 140-grain bullets because the book states, "I got slightly better accuracy with the 140-grain Western Tool & Copper Works bullet, and that is the bullet I have used for all the big game I have shot with it. That bullet is no longer made." However, in "Hunting Tips and Tales" by Colonel Townsend Whelen ( The American Rifleman, August 1941) it states: My favorite big-game rifle for the past fifteen years has been a .270 Winchester Model 54, fitted with a 2 1/4-power Zeiss Zielklein scope with Griffin & Howe mount. Five years ago I had the bolt handle turned down, mount lowered, and a side safety fitted, thus practically turning it into a Model 70. I also had John Hutton restock it with a very tight bedding and high Monte Carlo comb. It is a very fine rifle under practically any conditions. I have shot only one moose and two deer with it, all at close range, and all with one shot each. At boulders in my pasture at unknown distances I find I can make surer hits at longer ranges than with any other rifle I own. If I were off to the wilderness tomorrow I would take this rifle with me. It does its best work with a hand load consisting of the 130-grain Western Tool & Copper Works bullet and 49 grains of duPont No. 4320 powder. In factory ammunition I have found the Winchester cartridge loaded with 130-grain pointed expanding bullet to be the best. Given the discrepancy could the "140" possibly be a typo? Western Tool & Copper Works bullets in 100, 130, 145-grain weights are mentioned in the Field and Stream article below, but not 140 (have seen 95-grain mentioned elsewhere). https://archive.org/details/sim_field-stream_1927-12_32_8/page/50/mode/2up“The .270 Can Do Great Things” by Jack O'Connor "Further to complicate the picture, bullets weighing 100, 120, 140, and 160 grains were available from Fred Barnes before the war, and bullets weighing 95, 100, 130, and 150 grains were manufactured by the Western Tool & Copper Works." https://jack-oconnor.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/JackOConnor-2012-1stQtr-newsletter.pdf Sandlapper, the reference to the better sectional density I mentioned is on page 247 of Mister Rifleman. However, it is in relation to the 150 grain Sierra versus the 130 grain bullet, not the 140 grain bullet and 150 grain bullet versus 130 grain bullet as I thought. In the section Rifleman's Battery his Model 54 .270 and 130 grain Western Tool & Copper bullet is stated as best in that rifle. On page 165 he mentions the 140 grain Modern Gun Shop bullet as being most accurate in the majority of .270 rifles. However, unless Western Tool & Copper did actually make a 140 grain .270 bullet at one point in time, I would think that you are correct and the reference to the 140 grain Western Tool & Copper bullet should really be the 130 grain Western Tool & Copper bullet. You did well to pick that up!
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The 139-grain mistake was strange. Checked twice to make sure I wasn't reading it wrong or just crazy—even checked the following issue for a retraction! Whelen had the correct 130 grain at 3160 in The Hunting Rifle (1940). In this book he also states, "I have used other loadings of this cartridge only enough to know that I should very much prefer the three specific cartridges mentioned above for use in this rifle," referring to the 100, 130, and 150-grain loadings. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/b73tQbr.png) ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/B0UUW5P.png)
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Am still using the Sierra Gameking 130 grain BTSP on top of H4831 or H4831SC in my Browning BBR .270! Don’t fix it if it isn’t broken 🤷♂️
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Am still using the Sierra Gameking 130 grain BTSP on top of H4831 or H4831SC in my Browning BBR .270! Don’t fix it if it isn’t broken 🤷♂️ For sure. Deer fetcher of the first order.
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Am still using the Sierra Gameking 130 grain BTSP on top of H4831 or H4831SC in my Browning BBR .270! Don’t fix it if it isn’t broken 🤷♂️ For sure. Deer fetcher of the first order. Got my cow elk with it last year too.
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Re-read this whole thread again.
Mule Deer, What are your thoughts on Ramshot powders in the 270WCF?
When I was still working. I loaded up 60gr of H4831sc under a 130gr NBT, TSX, TTSX, and GMX. Always had these on hand for any 270 WCF rifle that might wander into the gun safe. Could always find one, if not two loads that would shoot. So that is my go to load.
Way back when I started hunting, we had a friend that reloaded for Dad's 760 and my 700 BDL. 55gr IMR 4350 was the load. Put many a deer/antelope in the freezer with that load.
Now that I have time, I am working up individual loads for my various 270's.
Rel 26 (60gr) has worked very well with 145gr ELD-X(1:10 twist) and 155gr Barnes LRX (1:8 twist) in two different rifles.
Basphemous for a looney, but factory 130gr Norma loads are shooting very well in a Husqvarna 270 that I have.
Hunter (55.4gr) worked well with 140gr NAB Silvertips out of yet another 270 I own.
Been messing around with yet another 270 (classic FWT) in an Oregunsmithing stock. 100 CX, 110TSX, 129 LRX, and 130gr. Using Big Game, Hunter, and H4831 SC. Going to try Hunter with 130gr CX next. After hunting season is over.
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