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If they indeed were forced to land with a 16-knot tailwind, it is no surprise at all that they weren't able to stop in time. No matter what the pilot's "plumbing" is. Okay...I'm no pilot so please be gentle, but why in hell wouldn't you approach the runway from the opposite direction and land with a 16-knot headwind? They landed with a 16 knot tailwind, max approved was 12 knots. IMC conditions, the other runway didn't have an approach. That could be a good reason.
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Now we know the real reason for the f uckup!!
Even birds know not to land downwind!
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If they indeed were forced to land with a 16-knot tailwind, it is no surprise at all that they weren't able to stop in time. No matter what the pilot's "plumbing" is. Okay...I'm no pilot so please be gentle, but why in hell wouldn't you approach the runway from the opposite direction and land with a 16-knot headwind? They landed with a 16 knot tailwind, max approved was 12 knots. IMC conditions, the other runway didn't have an approach. That could be a good reason. Can't they approach the same runway from the opposite direction? It would appear that approach would have been over water.
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As I posted earlier...IMC conditions, and the other runway did not have an approach. Smart thing to do was tell Approach "Unable" and go to your alternate.
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...Gee sir, I guess that promotion is out of the question!
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There are some world class smart ass remarks in this thread. Keep 'em coming!!!
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”
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As I posted earlier...IMC conditions, and the other runway did not have an approach. Smart thing to do was tell Approach "Unable" and go to your alternate. I had to look that up. We call it IFR or VFR. Didn't know IMC.
I am MAGA.
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I checked out the K-Bay airfield on google maps.
I can see where there is no space for an approach from the SW. And it looks like only the one runway is long enough for a plane that big.
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No more drive aeroplane for you !
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IMC is instrument meteorological conditions. I'm beginning to see there are no instrument rated pilots here.
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I just looked using Google Earth, why couldn't they land on the other end of the runway. I don't see obstructions.
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Here is the metar.
PHNG 210019Z COR 07014G21KT 1 1/2SM -RA BR SCT018 BKN026 OVC035 25/22 A2995 RMK A02 SFC VIS 4 VIS SW 1 1/2SM P0000 T02500222 COR 0046
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Why wouldn't a go-around be an option once it became obvious that yelling "WHOA, YOU SUMBITCH!" wasn't working? https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/11c9r5k/whoa_horse_whoa/
Ignorance can be fixed. Stupid is forever!
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If they indeed were forced to land with a 16-knot tailwind, it is no surprise at all that they weren't able to stop in time. No matter what the pilot's "plumbing" is. Not sure how it is now, back in the old days command post had to approve of any operations above the charted maximums. I'd wouldn't be surprised if someone above the cockpit crew approved the landing attempt...
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Should have not been attempted in the first place. Yes, a go around would have been smart. But many people aint that smart.
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We do not know if the weather was improving or getting worse. We do not know their fuel state or if there were any reachable divert airports. In short, we have no grounds for second guessing any of this.
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We do know that its required to file an alternate and have 30 minutes extra fuel. Hard requirements, every aircraft landing in US controlled territory must do this. PHNL is 12 miles away with plenty runways.
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Where do you want to land?
I don’t know, where do you want to land?
I picked last time, it’s your turn.
Yes but last time I picked you didn’t like it.
I did too, just not as much as you liked it.
You’re always minimizing my feelings, I know you didn’t like it, just be honest.
I am being honest, why do you always accuse me of hiding my feelings.
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They could have easily landed here. https://www.airnav.com/airport/PHNL8L would have been easy.
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you either can fly or not. Lord knows no males have ever messed up though....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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