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No, not Snoopy's. There is a surviving, flying Sopwith Camel in New Zealand, complete with an original nine cylinder rotary engine. I'm no mechanic or pilot, but just from reading the comments, apparently the sputtering and farting is because the engine power is controlled by shutting down cylinders. So you could run on three, six, or nine cylinders depending on what you were trying to do.

According to the comments, the entire engine is rotating around a central shaft, and the gyroscopic force of the spinning engine literally tosses the plane all over the place. On startup, you can see the plane trying to flip over with the engine. Flying it was supposedly a nightmare. To turn counter to the engine rotation, you apparently had to shut down cylinders.

Pretty interesting video.



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I think it had what was called a “blip switch” button on the controls. It had no throttle and only ran flat out. So to control power the pilot hit that switch and turned it off. Hit the switch and it goes off, release the switch and it comes back on.

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I think that depended on which engine was being used in it, they used Clerget, Gnome, Bentley and Le Rhone.

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I think all the rotary engines in WW I were that way.

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I had one of those as a kid. Had the .049 engine and the hand control. I got dizzy going in circles with that thing.

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Guys would actually go up and fight in those wood and canvas contraptions, with no parachutes yet.


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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Guys would actually go up and fight in those wood and canvas contraptions, with no parachutes yet.
No doubt. Combine the fact that those engines useful life span was pretty short. The engine was literally trying to shake the plane apart. All while dogfighting, often over enemy territory. This made for a pretty short life expectancy for a WWI pilot.

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And before they had mounted machine guns they would shoot at each other with pistols. Early machine guns were not equipped with interupters and pilots could and would shoot off their own props.


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Imagine how fast yiu could roll it or turn it if you went the direction the engine was spinning.

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Well, it had to start somewhere and some how. My experience with old tech includes civil war era sniper rifles, and flying a chopper with wooden rotor blades. 😎


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Strapping on an airplane to go do combat has never been a comfortable experience, whether it was a Sopwith over France, a Jug over Germany, a Sabre over Korea, a Hughes over the A Shau, or a Cessna over Cambodia. Flying combat means there will always be one final takeoff, whether you know it will be - or not.


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I am totally surprised any are around and flying.
I would have expected any surviving originals were in museums.
The guy who owns it must either own a high end machine shop or is good friends with someone who does. I am sure that any engine parts would have to be made.

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Might be a replica. Lots of those are about. They really aren’t that hard to make compared to even WW II aircraft. Almost within the realm of a home hobbyist.

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Wish I could find a video I saw this past year of a similar smaller engine on an early vehicle. Was amazing to me. I have trouble visualizing rotary or even radial design movements but found this that helps a bit. I still can't work out spark and such ( I guess it works like an old distributor) ??? But cool very very short video of how things are moving inside. Hope some will enjoy this.


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Heard rumors of a Sopwith Moth being discovered in storage several years back somewhere in UK.


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Originally Posted by auk1124
No, not Snoopy's. There is a surviving, flying Sopwith Camel in New Zealand, complete with an original nine cylinder rotary engine. I'm no mechanic or pilot, but just from reading the comments, apparently the sputtering and farting is because the engine power is controlled by shutting down cylinders. So you could run on three, six, or nine cylinders depending on what you were trying to do.

According to the comments, the entire engine is rotating around a central shaft, and the gyroscopic force of the spinning engine literally tosses the plane all over the place. On startup, you can see the plane trying to flip over with the engine. Flying it was supposedly a nightmare. To turn counter to the engine rotation, you apparently had to shut down cylinders.

Amazing. Must have been thrilling, but dang, the stones on the guys that went up in those things.

During this period, I wonder how much time the commanders of the air corps spent ensuring diversity amongst their crews. 🤔


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Originally Posted by auk1124
No, not Snoopy's. There is a surviving, flying Sopwith Camel in New Zealand, complete with an original nine cylinder rotary engine. I'm no mechanic or pilot, but just from reading the comments, apparently the sputtering and farting is because the engine power is controlled by shutting down cylinders. So you could run on three, six, or nine cylinders depending on what you were trying to do.

According to the comments, the entire engine is rotating around a central shaft, and the gyroscopic force of the spinning engine literally tosses the plane all over the place. On startup, you can see the plane trying to flip over with the engine. Flying it was supposedly a nightmare. To turn counter to the engine rotation, you apparently had to shut down cylinders.

Amazing. Must have been thrilling, but dang, the stones on the guys that went up in those things.

During this period, I wonder how much time the commanders of the air corps spent ensuring diversity amongst their crews. 🤔


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Boggles my mind.


We have over a century of flying experience, millions of pounds of data have to
exist. Many courses of study focused on flying.

Just think how much common knowledge exists, folks like myself who have
never been inside an aircraft have(very) basic knowledge.


But 100 years ago, guys built something out of wood and cloth,
"That should work!".

They thought it would fly, expected it to.
But really didn't know.

And since it was among the first airplanes they had seen, probably the first within 10 feet, they obviously had no idea how to fly the damn thing, beyond what the hand controls did to the actual flight controls.

But they climbed in!


Contrast to today.
The extensive requirements for the aircraft.
Then the licensing procedure.

Or the modification of a long serving platform (737). Using all kind of modern
knowledge and computer simulation, it goes horribly wrong.


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Considering that the first winged and motorized flight was about 15 years before the start of WWI, the war birds were quite an improvement for the era. By war's end they had created an operational mono plane. Warsover the years have advanced aviation by leaps and bounds.
If my feeble mind is correct, Brown flew a Camel, when he was credited by the RAF with the Baron Richthofen, shoot down.


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