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I had a box of Hornaday Superformance 257 Roberts that wouldn't fully extract from my Ruger MKII. Once the case gets to the magazine it drops from the bolt face and just lays in the magazine.
I removed the bolt and it would hold any of the Hornady 257 Roberts ammo. Remington and Winchester worked fine.
I then tried the ammo with 2 other Ruger bolts (250 and 270, MKII and Hawkeye), neither of those bolts would hold the Hornady ammo, but held the Remington and Winchester just fine.
After a few weeks of emails and phone calls with Hornady, they sent a new box. Some issue. I contacted them again, and they said SORRY, our ammo is within spec.
Therefore, I can only assume that 3 rifles are out of spec and Remington and Winchester ammo is also out of spec.
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A friend of mine had a Hawkeye in 270 that took two trips back to Ruger before the extractor would reliably hang onto a piece of brass. Hornady brass was not the culprit.
Dimensional specs have tolerances. Get an extractor hook on the loose side and brass on the small/thin side and voila.
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They lost me after Steve Hornady's Covid "vax" mandate to his employess, and that joke of a "melting tip" bullet farce.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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A friend of mine had a Hawkeye in 270 that took two trips back to Ruger before the extractor would reliably hang onto a piece of brass. Hornady brass was not the culprit.
Dimensional specs have tolerances. Get an extractor hook on the loose side and brass on the small/thin side and voila. So you think it's a problem across 3 rifles made 20 years apart? For reference, the Hornady 250 Savage brass I have works fine in all three.
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I had a box of Hornaday Superformance 257 Roberts that wouldn't fully extract from my Ruger MKII. Once the case gets to the magazine it drops from the bolt face and just lays in the magazine.
I removed the bolt and it would hold any of the Hornady 257 Roberts ammo. Remington and Winchester worked fine.
I then tried the ammo with 2 other Ruger bolts (250 and 270, MKII and Hawkeye), neither of those bolts would hold the Hornady ammo, but held the Remington and Winchester just fine.
After a few weeks of emails and phone calls with Hornady, they sent a new box. Some issue. I contacted them again, and they said SORRY, our ammo is within spec.
Therefore, I can only assume that 3 rifles are out of spec and Remington and Winchester ammo is also out of spec. Is this brass nickel plated?
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Have you actually put a caliper to the brass to see if it’s in spec?
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A friend of mine had a Hawkeye in 270 that took two trips back to Ruger before the extractor would reliably hang onto a piece of brass. Hornady brass was not the culprit.
Dimensional specs have tolerances. Get an extractor hook on the loose side and brass on the small/thin side and voila. So you think it's a problem across 3 rifles made 20 years apart? For reference, the Hornady 250 Savage brass I have works fine in all three. That does point a finger at the brass. Have you taken any measurements like rim diameter and thickness to compare the brands? Go to the 90th page of the pdf for a dimensioned drawing of the 257 Roberts. https://saami.org/wp-content/upload...CFR-Approved-2015-12-14-Posting-Copy.pdf
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I had a box of Hornaday Superformance 257 Roberts that wouldn't fully extract from my Ruger MKII. Once the case gets to the magazine it drops from the bolt face and just lays in the magazine.
I removed the bolt and it would hold any of the Hornady 257 Roberts ammo. Remington and Winchester worked fine.
I then tried the ammo with 2 other Ruger bolts (250 and 270, MKII and Hawkeye), neither of those bolts would hold the Hornady ammo, but held the Remington and Winchester just fine.
After a few weeks of emails and phone calls with Hornady, they sent a new box. Some issue. I contacted them again, and they said SORRY, our ammo is within spec.
Therefore, I can only assume that 3 rifles are out of spec and Remington and Winchester ammo is also out of spec. Is this brass nickel plated? No
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A friend of mine had a Hawkeye in 270 that took two trips back to Ruger before the extractor would reliably hang onto a piece of brass. Hornady brass was not the culprit.
Dimensional specs have tolerances. Get an extractor hook on the loose side and brass on the small/thin side and voila. So you think it's a problem across 3 rifles made 20 years apart? For reference, the Hornady 250 Savage brass I have works fine in all three. That does point a finger at the brass. Have you taken any measurements like rim diameter and thickness to compare the brands? Rim diameter is the same, give or take .001 going either way across varies brands. Thickness is the same, again allowing for a very small variance. The 2 differences I have found: 1) The extractor groove width (in front of rim, but before case body) is .390 + .001 on the Hornady 257 Roberts. It's .400-401 on the Remington/Winchester and is .396 on the Hornady 250 Savage. As I stated, the Hornady 250 Savage works, but it doesn't fit as tight as the Remington/Winchester, but the bolt hold it. 2). The extractor groove looks taller on the Hornady 257 Roberts compared to Remington and Winchester, and you can also see the body starts a little more forward on the Hornady. Remington 257 Roberts left, Hornady 257 Roberts right.
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Jeezus Fhuqk...SIMPLY tune the extractor blade and go fhuqking shoot. It will take 5 fhuqking seconds. Hint..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Jeezus Fhuqk...SIMPLY tune the extractor blade and go fhuqking shoot. It will take 5 fhuqking seconds. Hint.............. I can and did make it work with the Hornady ammo today, but then you run some rounds of the other brand and your back to the Hornady not working again, HINT
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Jeezus Fhuqk...SIMPLY tune the extractor blade and go fhuqking shoot. It will take 5 fhuqking seconds. Hint.............. I was thinking the same. Bend/tweak/etc that extractor and test it. Pretty easy to pull it off. I just did a brand new out of the box Montana in 308. Couple tries and it's back like its supposed to. Seen the same with most all the CRF guns at one point or another.
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Jeezus Fhuqk...SIMPLY tune the extractor blade and go fhuqking shoot. It will take 5 fhuqking seconds. Hint.............. I can and did make it work with the Hornady ammo today, but then you run some rounds of the other brand and your back to the Hornady not working again, HINT Add more tension to it. I like mine so they hold the case firm on the bolt face.
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Prezactly. Rest fhuqking ASSURED,that extractor blade geometry,does NOT hang on .001". Hint.
Nothing is fhuqking funnier,than a CLUELESS Fhuqk doing her best. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I bought a .30/06 Ruger 77R some years ago, and during assembly, some yahoo had installed an extractor for belted magnum cases in it. Sometimes, it would hold and extract a fired case, sometimes not. I sent the bolt back to Ruger (they were pissed that I wouldn't send the whole rifle), but they did replace the extractor with the appropriate sized extractor.
I knew what the issue was, I had a .270 and a .243 in Ruger 77Rs, and I could compare the extractors, the one with the '06 was visibly shorter, and was barely catching the cases. I wanted it fixed before it cost me a deer.
You can roll a turd in peanuts, dip it in chocolate, and it still ain't no damn Baby Ruth.
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The AMAZINGLY long list of simplistic schit,you DUMB Fhuqkers can't do,NEVER fhuqking ceases to amaze. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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They lost me after Steve Hornady's Covid "vax" mandate to his employess, Indeed! I don't plan to ever buy another Hornady product.
Shew me thy ways, O LORD: teach me thy paths. "there are few better cartridges on Earth than the 7 x 57mm Mauser" "the .30 Springfield is light, accurate, penetrating, and has surprising stopping power"
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You Professional Victims are a hoot! Hint.
Like you Sniveling CLUELESS Fhuqks “shoot” anything. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!…………
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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They lost me after Steve Hornady's Covid "vax" mandate to his employess, Indeed! I don't plan to ever buy another Hornady product. Yeah, and if Steve does not mandate the vax, then his plant would have gotten shut down, and you would b!tch about that. I, for one, think Hornady makes quality products, they shoot well in my rifles, and clobber the game they hit. I will use that as a basis for my consideration, not whether or not I agree with them politically.
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They lost me after Steve Hornady's Covid "vax" mandate to his employess, Indeed! I don't plan to ever buy another Hornady product. So, Hypothetically if most or all of the manufacturers did that (Powder, primer, bullets, firearms etc.) you would give up guns all together?
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