I'm relatively new to the 'Fire, but I see a lot of good things here. Mostly folks that enjoy the outdoors.
This thread is to highlight an attack that is coming in Colorado. The following link is to an Outdoor Life article that references a fight in Oregon, I'll leave that to the folks from Oregon. This one is a ban on hunting and trapping of mountain lions, bobcats, and lynx. The article and video explain it very well.
The fight in Colorado is a pending ballot initiative. We don't have a great record on ballot initiatives. We lost spring bear hunting, most of our recreational trapping by eliminating specific devices (body gripping traps, foothold traps, snares), and our state wildlife agency (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) was mandated after the election in 2020 to introduce wolves into the state. All of these were decisions made at the ballot box that impacted sportsmen and women and didn't take into account legitimate hunting/trapping recreation or sound wildlife management.
Lastly, here is a link to the sportsman group that is spearheading the fight. Unfortunately in the past individual sportsmen have not banded together. It's easy to say: "I'm not a bear hunter.", or "I'm not a trapper.", or "They're only going to put wolves on the western slope, so it won't impact me." It's a death by a thousand cuts, and the animals rights folks and anti-hunters are whittling away at things we hold dear. It's also pretty easy to say: "That's Colorado, or Oregon, they would never do that in Idaho, or Wyoming."
This group has their work cut out for them and can use all the help they can get. I'm not getting anything out of this other than getting the word out and trying to rally the troops.
I would agree with the current makeup of the Commission. When the wolf vote occurred there were some stalwart pro sportman commissioners, but he had already appointed a couple that were expressing their anti-hunting, pro animal rights leaning.
It will be interesting as the lion/bobcat/lynx moves forward to see how the Hatch Act is interpreted and either skirted or followed by his inner circle and the Commissioners.
Colorado is lost. We are past trying to be California and now are exceeding it. Depending on my life situation, I may be moving in the future.
The states in America are falling like dominoes toward the left! We are very close to the point of no return!
With the older generations dying off, and the majority of the younger generations going “woke” in rising numbers every year…….I’m afraid that our nation is lost! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
Colorado is lost. We are past trying to be California and now are exceeding it. Depending on my life situation, I may be moving in the future.
The states in America are falling like dominoes toward the left! We are very close to the point of no return!
With the older generations dying off, and the majority of the younger generations going “woke” in rising numbers every year…….I’m afraid that our nation is lost! memtb
Both CO and OR have been taken over by displaced idiots from CA. CA outlawed mountain lion hunting decades ago. This just proves when LIBs move from one place to another they always take their LIB ways with them and screw up the new place.
You get out of life what you are willing to accept. If you ain't happy, do something about it!
Both CO and OR have been taken over by displaced idiots from CA. CA outlawed mountain lion hunting decades ago. This just proves when LIBs move from one place to another they always take their LIB ways with them and screw up the new place.
Pretty accurate statement. I’m not busting on our CA. contingency of gun lovers here on the Fire.
Sadly, for Oregon, in the late 80’s and 90’s migrant liberals that moved from Cali to Oregon were not the kind you would want infiltrating your State. And so began our evolution of change to a Leftist State.
Too bad, it wasn’t the higbeans, Certs, and Rum7 types that moved to Oregon.
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Both CO and OR have been taken over by displaced idiots from CA. CA outlawed mountain lion hunting decades ago. This just proves when LIBs move from one place to another they always take their LIB ways with them and screw up the new place.
Clinton administration destroyed Oregon! With the shutting down of old growth logging and logging in general on federal lands wiped out the logging industry. Bend Oregon had 2-3 sawmills all gone. Prineville Oregon had 4-5 sawmills all of them I think are gone. You had sawmills all over on the west side as well. Oregon was a timber state economy was driven by that. Then after they shut down logging for the most part on federal lands all them tech companies moved in because oregon gave them big tax breaks. You now have the current state of Oregon.
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
Oregon big game Management sucks a fat D..k! It’s an opportunity state. With unlimited spike tags for Second season. I Forget How many 1000 of cow tags for Damage control to land owners. Unregulated cougars, wolfs and bear populations skyrocketing. Idaho move can’t come fast enough.
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All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
DRE Where are those "unlimited" spike tags? I have been hunting in Oregon for 40 yearfs and have never seen the opportunity for unlimited spike tags ???
My lifelong hunting area in Southern CA is overrun with mountain lions. Paid professional hunters using lights, helicopters, traps & poison in some cases kill about as many lions every year as hunters did. But unlike normal Elmer Fudds in the woods who scare 3-6 lions for each killed they just efficiently eliminate 1 at a time no fear of humans spread.
I’ll still hunt elk in CO but will shoot every large coyote I see since they make me buy a small game license to apply. I won’t skin them or approach them after killing one zi may leave to try a spot nearby as well.
Fight as best you can but CA urban Liberalism is a pernicious mental affliction.
OK, here's the latest. I tried to attach the pdf file, but it said it was too big, so the text is pasted in below for those that want to read it.
Here are the highlights:
They don't want to be percieved as anti-hunting so they've included a provision for a hunting season. Annually December 17 through December 30. No reference to the current quota system that very rigorously limits harvest to specific geographic areas, with the possibility for a season currently of November 27- April 30 if there is a large quota in a unit to limit depredation on livestock.
Here's the kickers they've added:
No use of hounds, or facilitate or assist in the hunting or killing. That eliminates outfitters. Making it a felony.
Their language of assessing license suspension points and a suspension contradicts the current license suspension process.
They introduce to Colorado statutes the definition of "Trophy Hunting". There is currently no definition in Colorado CRS.
The killing of a mountain lion, bobcat, or lynx, and keeping or transferring to another, whether by gift, sale, or in any other manner except as provided in this section, or soliciting another person to kill a mountain lion, bobcat, or lynx.
I think they just defined hunting-really easy to apply that to the next species-elk, deer, grouse, turkey, etc.
Luckily they also define when it isn't "Trophy Hunting":
They do allow for killing the above species while in the act of defending human life, livestock, real or personal property, a motor vehicle (WTF-lions attacking cars??). Also, they allow you to avoid felony penalties if you happen to hit one with a car, boat, or train.
If you harvest a lion, bobcat, or lynx during their limited short season you must present it to CPW within 36 hours and relinquish all the trophy parts (hide, head, claws). I find this interesting because lynx are currently designated as an endangered species and there is no season on them. I guess they'll accept any that get harvested. This also eliminates any economic benefit to taxidermists, tanneries, etc. Of course they could care less.
Again, as in my OP, hunters need to get together on this as it's just the next step to remove hunting at all. It doesn't matter if you will ever hunt lions, bobcats, or lynx. They are trying to eliminate all hunting. It also doesn't matter if you live in Texas, Idaho, or Ohio.
LHS
Be it Enacted by the People of the State Colorado:
SECTION 1. In Colorado Revised Statutes, add 33-4-101.4 as follows:
33-4-101.4. Wild cats – declaration of intent – hunting season - penalty.
(1) THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THIS SECTION IS TO LIMIT THE INHUMANE AND UNSPORTING TAKING OF MOUNTAIN LIONS, BOBCATS AND LYNX AND TO PROVIDE FOR A LIMITED SEASON AS REFERENCED HEREIN, BUT NOT TO REQUIRE ANY SEASON AT ALL. THESE PROVISIONS ARE INTENDED TO MINIMIZE NEEDLESS ORPHANING OF THESE ANIMALS’ YOUNG. THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE SO CONSTRUED.
(2) DURING THE PERIOD FROM JANUARY 1 THROUGH DECEMBER 17 OF ANY CALENDAR YEAR IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO TAKE A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT OR LYNX BY ANY MEANS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO FIREARM, TRAP, BAIT, ELECTRONIC DEVICE, BOW AND ARROW, OR BY THE USE OF ONE OR MORE DOGS.
(3) IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON, AT ANY TIME, TO USE TRAPS, BAIT, ONE OR MORE DOGS, OR ELECTRONIC DEVICES TO FOLLOW OR CHASE A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT, OR LYNX OR TO FACILITATE OR ASSIST IN THE HUNTING OR KILLING OF A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT, OR LYNX.
(4) THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION SHALL NOT APPLY WHEN A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT OR LYNX IS TAKEN PURSUANT TO ANY OF THE EXCLUSIONS FROM THE DEFINITION OF “TROPHY HUNTING” SET FORTH IN SUBSECTION 33-6-117(1)(C)(VI).
(5) ANY PERSON WHO VIOLATES SUBSECTION (2) OF THIS SECTION COMMITS A CLASS 6 FELONY AND SHALL BE PUNISHED, INCLUDING THE ASSESSMENT OF A FINE, AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 18-1.3-401, C.R.S. UPON SUCH CONVICTION, THE COMMISSION SHALL ASSESS TEN LICENSE SUSPENSION POINTS AND SUSPEND THE WILDLIFE LICENSE PRIVILEGES FOR ONE TO FIVE YEARS OF THE PERSON CONVICTED.
SECTION 2. In Colorado Revised Statutes, add 33-6-117(1)(c) and amend 33-6-117(2) as follows:
33-6-117. Willful destruction of wildlife – legislative intent.
(1) (a) Except as is otherwise provided in articles 1 to 6 of this title or by rule of the commission, it is unlawful for a person:
(I) To hunt or take, or to solicit another person to hunt or take, wildlife and detach or remove, with the intent to abandon the carcass or body, only the head, hide, fur, claws, teeth, antlers, horns, internal organs, or feathers or any or all of such parts;
(II) To intentionally abandon the carcass or body of taken wildlife; or
(III) To take and intentionally abandon wildlife.
Received by Legislative Council Staff
11/22/23 at 4:20 pm
Initiative 2023-24 #101: Prohibit Trophy Hunting
(b) A person who violates subsection (1)(a), with respect to:
(I) Big game, eagles, and endangered species, commits a class 5 felony and shall be punished as provided in section 18-1.3-401, C.R.S., and, in addition, shall be punished by a fine of not less than one thousand dollars nor more than twenty thousand dollars. For offenses committed on or after July 1, 1985, the fine shall be in an amount within the presumptive range set out in section 18-1.3-401 (1)(a)(III), C.R.S. Upon such conviction, the commission shall assess twenty license suspension points and suspend the wildlife license privileges for one year to life of the person convicted.
(II) All other wildlife species, EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN SUBSECTION (1)(c), commits a class 2 misdemeanor and is assessed twenty license suspension points.
(c) (I) NOTWITHSTANDING SUBSECTION (1) OF THIS SECTION, AND EXCEPT AS IS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN ARTICLES 1 TO 6 OF THIS TITLE, IT IS UNLAWFUL TO ENGAGE IN TROPHY HUNTING OF A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT, OR LYNX.
(II) NOTWITHSTANDING SUBSECTION (1) OF THIS SECTION, AND EXCEPT AS IS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN ARTICLES 1 TO 6 OF THIS TITLE, ANY PERSON WHO KILLS A MOUNTAIN LION, LYNX, OR BOBCAT MUST, WITHIN THIRTY-SIX HOURS OF THE KILL, RELINQUISH ALL OF THE ANIMAL’S BODY PARTS THAT QUALIFY AS A TROPHY TO AN AUTHORIZED OFFICIAL IN A COLORADO PARKS AND WILDLIFE REGIONAL OFFICE.
(III) FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SUBSECTION:
(A) “TROPHY” MEANS THE MOUNT, DISPLAY, OR PRESERVATION OF A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT, OR LYNX, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE SKIN OF THE HEAD, THE ENTIRE SKIN, HEAD, FUR, HIDE, EARS, LEGS, FEET, OR CLAWS, IN A LIFELIKE REPRESENTATION OR DEPICTION OF THE ANIMAL OR ITS BODY PARTS.
(B) “TROPHY HUNTING” MEANS:
(i) THE KILLING OF A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT, OR LYNX, AND KEEPING OR TRANSFERRING TO ANOTHER, WHETHER BY GIFT, SALE, OR IN ANY OTHER MANNER EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN SUBSECTION (1)(c)(II) OF THIS SECTION, ONE OR MORE TROPHIES FROM SUCH ANIMAL; OR
(ii) SOLICITING ANOTHER PERSON TO KILL A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT, OR LYNX, WITH THE INTENT TO ACQUIRE AND KEEP OR TRANSFER ONE OR MORE TROPHIES EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN SUBSECTION (1)(c)(II) OF THIS SECTION.
(IV) ANY PERSON WHO VIOLATES SUBSECTION (1)(c)(I) OF THIS SECTION COMMITS A CLASS 5 FELONY AND SHALL BE PUNISHED, INCLUDING THE ASSESSMENT OF A FINE, AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 18-1.3-401,C.R.S. UPON SUCH CONVICTION, THE COMMISSION SHALL ASSESS TWENTY LICENSE SUSPENSION POINTS AND SUSPEND THE WILDLIFE LICENSE PRIVILEGES FOR ONE YEAR TO LIFE OF THE PERSON CONVICTED.
(V) ANY PERSON WHO VIOLATES SUBSECTION (1)(c)(II) OF THIS SECTION COMMITS A CLASS 6 FELONY AND SHALL BE PUNISHED, INCLUDING THE ASSESSMENT OF A FINE, AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 18-1.3-401, C.R.S. UPON SUCH CONVICTION, THE COMMISSION SHALL ASSESS TEN LICENSE SUSPENSION POINTS AND SUSPEND THE WILDLIFE LICENSE PRIVILEGES FOR ONE TO FIVE YEARS OF THE PERSON CONVICTED.
(VI) “TROPHY HUNTING” DOES NOT INCLUDE:
(A) ANY ACT SPECIFIED IN SUBSECTION (1)(c)(I) OF THIS SECTION IF IT WAS CONDUCTED IN THE DEFENSE OF HUMAN LIFE, LIVESTOCK, REAL OR PERSONAL PROPERTY, OR A MOTOR VEHICLE PURSUANT TO SECTION 33-3-106 AND APPROPRIATE NONLETHAL METHODS HAVE BEEN USED AS DEFINED BY THE COMMISSION, EXCEPT THAT LETHAL MEANS MAY BE USED TO DEFEND HUMAN LIFE;
(B) ANY ACT SPECIFIED IN SUBSECTION (1)(c)(I) OF THIS SECTION IF IT WAS CONDUCTED BY AN AUTHORIZED EMPLOYEE OF THE DIVISION OF PARKS AND WILDLIFE, THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, OR THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, WHEN THE EMPLOYEE IS ACTING IN HIS OR HER OFFICIAL CAPACITY;
(C) THE ACCIDENTAL WOUNDING OR KILLING OF A MOUNTAIN LION, LYNX, OR BOBCAT BY A MOTOR VEHICLE, VESSEL, OR TRAIN;
(D) THE USE OF NONLETHAL METHODS BY A PERSON AUTHORIZED TO CAPTURE A MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT OR LYNX FOR PURPOSES OF BONA FIDE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH, FOR RELOCATION PERMITTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH RULES OF THE DIVISION OR FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT OF THE ANIMAL BEING CAPTURED AS PERMITTED BY SECTION 33- 6-206(1)(a), (1)(c), OR (1)(d);
(E) ANY ACT SPECIFIED IN SUBSECTION (1)(C)(I) OF THIS SECTION IF AUTHORIZED BY THE COMMISSIONER OF AGRICULTURE PURSUANT TO SECTION 35-40-101 TO CONTROL DEPREDATING ANIMALS;
(F) EUTHANASIA OF AN ILL OR INJURED MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCAT, OR LYNX, DONE FOR HUMANE REASONS, BY A PERSON LICENSED TO PRACTICE VETERINARY MEDICINE UNDER THE COLORADO VETERINARY PRACTICE ACT, ARTICLE 315 OF TITLE 12;
(G) ANY ACT SPECIFIED IN SUBSECTION (1)(C)(I) OF THIS SECTION IF IT WAS CONDUCTED PURSUANT TO A SPECIAL LICENSE ISSUED BY THE DIVISION OF PARKS AND WILDLIFE UNDER SECTION 33-4-102(2)(a), 2(i), OR (13); OR
(H) ANY ACT SPECIFIED IN SUBSECTION (1)(C)(I) OF THIS SECTION IF IT WAS CONDUCTED BY AN EMPLOYEE OR CONTRACTOR OF A FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY, CITY AND COUNTY, OR MUNICIPAL DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROTECTING HUMAN HEALTH OR SAFETY PURSUANT TO SECTION 33-6-205.
(2) (a) The purpose and intent OF SUBSECTION (1)(a) of this section is to protect the wildlife of this state from wanton, ruthless, or wasteful destruction or mutilation for their heads, hides, claws, teeth, antlers, horns, internal organs, or feathers, from being taken and abandoned, or any or all of the foregoing, and the PERTINENT provisions of this section shall be so construed.
(b) THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF SUBSECTION (1)(c) OF THIS SECTION IS TO PREVENT THE KILLING OF MOUNTAIN LIONS, BOBCATS OR LYNX, SIMPLY SO HUNTERS MAY ACQUIRE PARTS OF THESE ANIMALS AS SOUVENIRS OF THEIR HUNTS. THESE PROVISIONS ARE INTENDED TO ELIMINATE THE INCREASINGLY PREVALENT AND INHUMANE PRACTICES OF USING DOGS AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES TO FACILITATE TROPHY HUNTING OF MOUNTAIN LIONS, BOBCATS, OR LYNX . THE PERTINENT PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE SO CONSTRUED.
SECTION 2. Effective date - applicability. This measure shall be effective on and after the date it is declared by proclamation of the governor to have been adopted by voters and shall apply to offenses committed on or after the effective date.
I have been busy doing my diligent research as a Colorado voter and have an update. What I referred to previously as "the" ballot initiative is actually 2 different ballot initiatives.
Here are links to the current language of the proposals, where they currently reside with the Secretary of State's Office:
Confusing, isn't it? I think that is by design. They have been submitted by different "Designated Representatives". If you're interested, please read them! Certainly, when something shows up on the ballot-be an informed voter. There's a lot of legalese in them, but here are some highlights.
#91
-Prohibits the hunting of the 3 species altogether. Ironically lynx are and endangered species and there is no hunting of them currently. -Introduces "Trophy Hunting" language into the Colorado Revised Statutes (CRS) that currently doesn't exist. -Sets the penalties for the violation of the proposed statutes at the misdemeanor level and imposes license suspesion penalties outside the existing suspension system.
#101
-As highlighted above-allows for a 2 week season contrary to what exists currently. -Also introduces "Trophy Hunting" language to CRS. -Reguires turning over all "Trophy" parts to CPW. Allowing the hunter to keep only the meat. -Makes all violations of the proposed statutes felonies-including assisting someone in the harvest-this would elimnate outfitters. Most wildlife violations in Colorado are misdemeanors.
Who knows what will end up being on the ballot, but CRWM are the ones fully engaged in this fight. Here is your chance as a sportsman to contribute to this fight and stop this BS ballot box biology!
I also came across the website for the group spearheading this. https://catsarenttrophies.org/ Isn't that cute. Why did I include them here:
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
They are looking for volunteers to help gather signatures. Maybe there are some folks inclined to "Monkeywrench" their effort.
#101 is gone according to the Secretary of States office. Listed under ballot initiatives "Withdrawn". Digging into it, the petitioner's (Dan Gates, the good guy in this case) motion to dismiss was unopposed by the respondents (Samantha Bruegger and Jeffrey Hersh).
#91 appears to be where they are putting all of the their money. Link below as to where that money is coming from. Spoiler alert...I know you'll be shocked to hear that the bulk of the money is coming from out of state animal rights organizations. One of the other contributors is Pat Craig the owner of The Wild Animal Sanctuary. Look into that one-he believes it's in the best interest of "Wild" animals to live inside pens outside of their native habitat. He's a "collector" of animals. A glorified cat lady, ala Carole Baskin of Tiger King fame who has also written editorials to our local papers in support of this initiative.
The petition format has been approved and they have until 07/05/2024 to turn their petition in for inclusion on the November ballot. Expect to see folks outside grocery stores in front range population centers collecting those important signatures. Because that's where they got the signatures and votes for the wolf initiative. Here is at least one group soliciting volunteers to collect those signatures. Know your enemy.
Maybe they'll highlight the media coverage of the recent mountain lion pet attacks in Summit County.
And, last but not least, actually the most important part of this is a link to Coloradans for Responsible Wildlife Management the one group that in my opinion is doing the most and leading the charge in this fight. I know there are others-this is where my money is going.
