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And much is rewritten myth which predated the oldest of mosaic history.

I didn't notice that you had an argument. The claim of the OP is young earth cosmology, and the genesis narrative supports that notion. That is the point.

And obviously, the young earth claim has no merit despite what the bible describes.

Read it again. You're missing it. More likely, however, you don't wish to see the argument.

If special creation and the fall is merely allegory, this completely undermines Christian theology.

Make your argument.

Your argument twists the words on the paper as much as a democrat judge claiming the 2nd Amendment doesn't cover magazines because magazines are not arms.

It's only to be expected that our two atheists wish to tie Christianity to an untenable literal interpretation of Genesis.

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Isn't it obvious that without a literal fall from grace there is no need for a literal sacrifice of Jesus for our salvation?

I've already extensively refuted your position on your former point. As to the above, who said there wasn't a fall? I certainly didn't. While it's a story told in allegory, the doctrine delivered by it was that, right from the start, man fell from God's grace. You don't have to know how exactly that occurred to accept the lesson that it did.

Apparently you are not aware the Old Testament was translated from Hebrew into Greek about 250 years before Jesus was born.

You haven't refuted a thing. In Christian theology, Redemption is based on the sacrifice of Jesus. If as the story goes, sin had not entered the world through Adam, there was need for Jesus the redeemer or his blood sacrifice;

''....but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned....'''

''For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many!'' - Romans.

The whole Genesis story is fiction - there's nothing useful about it except fanciful entertainment.

Note for you and DBT

Sadly, these verses apply to you two…

2 Corinthians 4:3-4

“ 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”

Seek and you will find……Don’t seek and you will not find. Don’t seek and you will remain in your spiritual blindness.

The irony is that Satan and all his demons fully understand all about Jesus, who is God…but Satan has deceived you so that you cannot see the truth about yourselves, Satan or Jesus.

I've already addressed this. You seem incapable of comprehending much of what I have to say. I suggest it's intentional.

Very apt quotation.

Matter has been around for eons upon eons. It may of formed into what we know as earth 4.5 billion years ago but matter has been around for eons long before 4.5 billion years. Space junk. Someday it will all explode and start all over again. 5 billion years from now some guy will be typing on a computer just how old HIS earth is. I don't believe I will care. Space junk again.

kwg

The whole book of Genesis is fiction? Or just the creation story?
Genesis covers a lot of time and territory. Maybe billions of years.

Naw... Only 6000 years... /s

Whatever. But I would bet a lot of the book has a basis in real events. Cain and Abel could have been two tribes where a bunch of nomadic herders wiped out some farmers that were irritable over the nomad's animals eating their crops. As to the flood, we know the ocean spilled over into what is now the Black Sea, the deposing of Esau in a conspiracy by Jacob and his mother is believable. The slaughter of the Shechemites by Simeon's and Levi's men could easily be based in an event. Moving on further into the other books the destruction of Jericho probably did result from an earthquake at an opportune time. The David and Goliath story is believable in that a teenage sharpshooter could knock a huge opponent unconscious and then behead him with Goliath's own sword.

Surely a lot of the bible including Jesus' parables are allegories meant to convey a lesson but there are many cases where the historical parts have some basis in fact and real events. I'm sure the writers took some liberty and license in their recording of long ago oral history.