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Other thread on how rich farmers are got me to thinking.

We have some farm ground in the family that will be passed down.

Would love to visit with someone privately about how to best structure this so that the farm may be kept intact and not have to be sold to pay taxes.

Anyone out there a planner or have been through this that would be willing to have me bounce questions off of???


Send me a pm.

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Do a TOD deed... (Very simple stuff).

Or a Trust... less simple

As allowed by your state.


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Originally Posted by Tarkio
Other thread on how rich farmers are got me to thinking.

We have some farm ground in the family that will be passed down.

Would love to visit with someone privately about how to best structure this so that the farm may be kept intact and not have to be sold to pay taxes.

Anyone out there a planner or have been through this that would be willing to have me bounce questions off of???


Send me a pm.

TIA

Get a local estate planning attorney or CPA and consult. Estates are not only subject to US tax laws, but the way property is held is local. And Montana may have its own ideas on what their laws are. You need local legal help. I do help people with planning here in the People's Republik, but would not wish to advise anyone who lives in Montana. That would be malpractice.

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Unless the estate of the person or husband/wife that owns the land is more than ~$13m (if owned by an individual) or ~$26m (if owned by a couple) there will be no estate tax due under the current tax code.

And if the estate is greater than those amounts, find an estate attorney. Don’t ask a bunch of drunks on a hunting forum

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Tarkio;
Good afternoon, I hope the day down in your part of Montana went acceptably and you all are well.

Sincere kudos for doing some planning, too many do not and suffer because of it.

As has been already said, either an estate lawyer or if the amount is significant then a tax lawyer as well would be wise.

That's the same advice I'd give anyone on either side of the medicine line, as the rules seem to change state to state and province to province up here.

Good luck and all the best.

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Originally Posted by ShortMagFan
Unless the estate of the person or husband/wife that owns the land is more than ~$13m (if owned by an individual) or ~$26m (if owned by a couple) there will be no estate tax due under the current tax code.

And if the estate is greater than those amounts, find an estate attorney. Don’t ask a bunch of drunks on a hunting forum


That’s federal estate law.
States have their own estate tax laws, some are quite onerous (Minnesota) and some have no estate tax.


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A trust. Be very careful choosing an executor.


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A Trust, Good farm and ranch attorney, before the old folks are on death bed, land and money, all sealed up, don’t let it go to probate ever, then do a trust to give everything to you children as far as everything but money, cost about three grand on each trust.

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Yes, a Good Tax Lawyer.
We got around to our trust a few weeks back.


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What taxes exactly?


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Originally Posted by Angus55
A Trust, Good farm and ranch attorney, before the old folks are on death bed, land and money, all sealed up, don’t let it go to probate ever, then do a trust to give everything to you children as far as everything but money

My sister gave up the partner track at a big city law firm to move back to our hometown to do this for a living. She sure hasn't run out of work. wink

She's in IN, but could give you the quick rundown, & possibly some tips on how to choose an atty in your area. PM me if you're interested.

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For clarification, the farmland is located in IL.


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Originally Posted by Osky
A trust. Be very careful choosing an executor.


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This.


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Paid for advice of a local resource would be my recommendation.

Would be money well spent.

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Anyone that has a net worth into the millions (much less IMO) is an idiot to not have a proper trust prepared and renewed. Saving pennies on the dollar...


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I am in this currently. My dad had a small ranch and there are three heirs. The estate is liable for capital gains, (bastids). Other than that, no taxes.


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Originally Posted by JeffP40
I am in this currently. My dad had a small ranch and there are three heirs. The estate is liable for capital gains, (bastids). Other than that, no taxes.

That is a concern we have as well.

Cap gains based on the basis of the property.


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There is 2 types of trusts. Both have advantages. Revocable and non revocable. I think Suzy Orman has written about this. Read as much about the subject, then go to a professional . You will be able to understand the trusts better.

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Originally Posted by Tarkio
Originally Posted by JeffP40
I am in this currently. My dad had a small ranch and there are three heirs. The estate is liable for capital gains, (bastids). Other than that, no taxes.

That is a concern we have as well.

Cap gains based on the basis of the property.


If the property is inherited, which looks to be the case, then the basis is what the property values at TOD. Not what they paid for it decades ago.

How many siblings do you have? The greatest potential for big issues usually lies within the inheriting family. Some will want to keep it, some will want to sell and cash out, and everybody thinks it’s worth more than it is. Hopefully this will not be your case.

Probably the best advice given here was to seek advice from somewhere other than a site full of drunks. Haha

Good luck to you.


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