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A little niche, but okay. I’m not a scientist and haven’t dedicated my life to proving the bible is correct (despite believing it is), however….

It would make sense to me if a qualified scientist said 2 species that could (suggesting “theory”) already be genetically related and produce offspring, I could see that. But are they evolving? Is the argument now: Evolution can be opportunity and promiscuity?

…and it still doesn’t address the length of existence of the parent species.

Ray,

Ring species are most common in birds, usually gulls. There will be a series of member so the same species, each in it's own geographic region making a "ring" around the earth. Each member is able to mate with it geographical neighbors except the two at the ends of the ring.

One of those will be the original of the species from which the others evolved. The last will be the newest member of the species, which, because it can no longer bread with the original is technically not of the same species, giving us an unbroken chain in the process of speciation and a clear demonstration of one species evolving into another.

Thanks, A-snipe.

I was vaguely familiar with the topic, but your description does elaborate it well. I don’t believe that changes the sentiment in my previous response. I don’t see the ring species establishing any more merit in the argument for “Evolution” because of previously stated gaps in the theory.

Again, its the best theory science has, but (despite prominent people saying the opposite), I believe a theory is just a theory. Going beyond the agnostic approach of “Evolution could have happened” and into the proclamation of “Evolution is the way it happened” utilizes just as much faith as any Christian puts in the bible.

Did I conflate the (probably distorted) factual parts of the bible with the supernatural elements? I just said that I would bet that a lot of the bible stories are based in real events. I also mentioned my belief that the writers took liberty and license in juicing up the lore passed down in oral history.

I really don't think I invoked the supernatural.

I do believe the survival of the Jewish people to be a miracle based in supernatural protection and discipline but that is another subject that wasn't addressed this time.

Ray,

I'm not asking you to evaluate the whole of evolutionary theory, just this one piece of evidence.

What's the quality of this piece of evidence, and what does it tend to indicate?

thank you for sharing this...I hadn't heard it before and that reply is awesome

It is a silly question. God created time for man's use. God is out side of time.

The earth was not created in its present form in 6 days (144 hours) less than 10,000 years ago. Period, end of story.

I’m struggling to identify the level of specificity you’re looking for, but I’ll give it a shot. The first thing that strikes me is the term, as a ring is circular, suggesting a scientific version of transitive relation (equality, or in this case, sameness). The ends are not the same. I understand the description refers to a geographic ring, but it can be a little misleading. This is beside the point, but I felt compelled to state it.

More directly, my unqualified opinion is I believe it is hybridizing, which isn’t evolution as is pitched on 24HRCF. Pardon the potentially incorrect terminology, but I believe the ultimate argument for Evolution as described (by qualified evolutionists) is one species evolving into another species. The “Ring species”, as my tiny brain understands it is, as you say, different geographic regions of the same species making hybrid versions of the same species. Labradoodles come to mind. 😂

All that said, I’d consider the scientific quality of this evidence as potentially relevant, but not conforming to the Theory of Evolution. Clearly, it qualifies to explain hybrids. Ultimately, it doesn’t move the ball in either direction.

God works in strange , and mysterious ways.

How’s the cows, wabi?

Modern science is no different than philosophy, mostly theory and speculation.

The cows are grazing on cornstalks, doing well.

Nope, still not meaning anything.

You need to take that up with the biblical scholars who can help you to sort out the limited facts from the signification amount of fiction.

You still not sure how to use google? Or just scared that you'll discover the truth and blow your whole world view and realise that you're wasted much of your life in a huge mental masturbatory exercise?

Nobody is disputing real events. Whenever real places and events are confirmed, there is no dispute. The issue is the supernatural claims in the bible and other ancient works, Gita, Quran, etc.

If you are referring to verifiable places and events, you most likely have nobody to argue with.

Google it
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1. A demand given on 24HRCF to avoid the reality that the person giving the demand is pretending to be knowledgeable enough to understand the topic so well, they could explain it to a child, but is really unable to understand or intelligently explain, that, what they are claiming to be an absolute fact is actually a theory in which they’ve established a pre-conceived notion requiring faith of religious proportions.

Good attempt at a dodge, but fact remains that that there is no evidence in the fossil record and if one lends credence to Gerd Muller’s view, there is no possibility of “Darwinian evolution” being a satisfactory or plausible explanation for evolutionary transition of kind to kind.

Do your research and learn….

Btw….. natural selection is NOT “evolution.”