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... Just call the 358 Winchester a 35 Remington IMPROVED  Or a present day version of the 9x57 Mauser.  (Which is not bad company to be in by any means!!) The 9x57 Mauserhttp://www.african-hunter.com/9x57_mauser.htm![[Linked Image]](http://www.bunduki.com/bob/other/358Win-9x57.gif) Cheers! -Bob F. 
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The 358 is a nuts and bolts, no frills cartridge for sure.Equal to its metric brethern.Too bad it didn't sell. I'll probably be stuck in the 270 Win./ 284 Win. rut for the rest of my days.I should take my other rifles for a walk more often.
Not bad place to be, overall.
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Couchtater,
I believe the more accepted technique is to have somebody else drive the Land Cruiser or F250 (the choice depends on the continent you're hunting) while you whang away. This always seems to add something to the ballistics of any round. I know it is quite popular among Texas nilgai hunters.... Given that it'll take just a hair over 100 mph to add 150 fps...don't think I want to be in the bakkie or the F250 if someone is trying to add meaningful velocity increments... . DN
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Or a present day version of the 9x57 Mauser. (Which is not bad company to be in by any means!!) An interesting cartridge, but as anyone familiar with aviation knows, anything with a designation containing an "x" is e xperimental. You'll have a hard time convincing Americans to try an experimental cartridge developed in some 3rd world country where they don't even speak English.
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Couchtater,
I believe the more accepted technique is to have somebody else drive the Land Cruiser or F250 (the choice depends on the continent you're hunting) while you whang away. This always seems to add something to the ballistics of any round. I know it is quite popular among Texas nilgai hunters.... F250 seems a bit light for nilgai, unless maybe it is on a downhill slope. Meanwhile, congrats on the purchase, you righthanded bas...fellows get all the good stuff.
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Developed here, but not marketable in the civilian sector until they changed the name.
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I've known LOTS of Americans that use it to kill non-Americans, and it weren't developed in a 3rd world country. Guess I missed the 'marketable' in you previous post..........
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I sure am looking forward to a Model 70 in .375 Hornady. Don't disapoint me you Belgian bastards.
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"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
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No freakin' doubt, but they have such a great opportunity......
Even Beretta would screw it up if they had it.
Like their shotguns, however. Beretta, that is.
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At least the WSSM's will get a quiet death, I think........
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Griz, You mentioned Beretta... I once saw a $6,800.00 Beretta O/U DR in 9,3X74R that came in new with a very impressive test target. There was just one problem. One barrel was short chambered and never had the finish reamer treatment. Go figure...??  Everything else was finished nicely.
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Well, nobody's perfect.
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Royce,
I haven't weighed the stock yet, so don't know if Mark Bansner's High Tech stock would drop a pound off. Actually, I kind of like the weight where it is for a .358. Mule Deer, Bansner doesn't list a stock for a Short Action MKII/Hawkeye. Maybe you can convince them to make one. If they do I will order one tomorrow( and probably 3-4 more over the next year) +1 In reply to my email about a month ago, they said they don't make a stock for either size Mkll. Sure wish they did. SOS
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JB-sounds like a fun rig, perhaps break it in on spring bruins and or come October for lopes?
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Who knows? It probably won't be used on Montana bears, at least this spring, as we'll be leaving for Africa about the time they really start coming out of their dens. But there are an awful lot of other places in Montana (and elsewhere) where a light .358 isn't a bad idea!
Partly I bought it because my other .358 is an heirloom, a Savage 99F inherited from Norm Strung. It is not really made for nasty weather, and will never be risked on an airplane flight. Plus, as somebody already noted, the .358 will probably not remain long in the Hawkeye lineup, so this rifle will soon be something of a collector's item.
And it was too good a deal to pass up!
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Ok,this has convinced me to pick up a SS/synthetic in 358.
Great,another rifle I don't need......(grin)
WB.
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Those Ruger Hawkeye's look good. A shop here has one just as you describe it in .358 and it feels and handles well. It might be a tiny bit lighter for me as I am now looking that way rifle weight wise. I use a 99f .358 and in fact have two of them. Lets not argue what nasty weather is like but mine are in good shape after a lot of use since 1966. Besides the 99 has a hammer. Much more reliable than a sticky firing pin for really severe weather! 358 Winchesters ![[Linked Image]](http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2082/358f9d499dd1fj.jpg)
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99,
I have hunted in really nasty weather with 99's, but mostly don't want to damage this one any further than Norm did! It does get hunted, though....
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
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