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In an attempt to undo decades of left wing indoctrination of our youth.

Again, Very dangerous game.

Yes. Don't get hung up on one narrow definition of the word "democracy", as in two wolves and a sheep democracy. He uses the term broadly to mean citizen self-rule of a country as directly opposed to one person or one group of "elites" dictating policy to everyone else, which is what we have today and the thing he is preaching hard against.

Folks can like him, not like him, believe him, not believe him, agree with him or disagree with him for whatever reason they want. That's what's allowed in a free country.

I just kept seeing posts wondering what he believed and the last few pages of this book seemed to be a good synopsis of his core belief. I'm no expert on the man after reading one book but those themes kept popping out over and over in it.

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Here are two little details folks can pick on:

Wokeness is a religion -

It actually meets the legal definition of a religion and therefore falls under the 1st Amendment with regard to employer/employee relations. That means that a person can't be fired for espousing their woke beliefs but it also means that an employee can not be fired for refusing to go along with the woke beliefs of their employer, such as refusing to bow down for some Black Lives Matter virtue signaling. The latter is what we're seeing today, employees being fired for espousing their conservative beliefs even if done outside of the workplace, such as happened with Google employees (I'd look up the exact reference but I need more coffee).


Mandatory civil service for teenagers -

That's something that's been bandied about here. In his version, all people before reaching legal adulthood (people under the age of 18) must spend one month of their summer school break doing civil service, which could be a variety of things. Not children, the target group would be freshmen through seniors in high school. The idea is not so much to sweep streets or help out at old folks' homes, although those would be worthwhile endeavors, but to foster a shared experience of service to the country and for people to meet and work with others from all walks of life. It wouldn't take draconian new laws. We already require mandatory education for young people, this would simply be an extension of their education.

People who have served in the military, no matter which branch, have a shared experience of serving the greater good and generally look at other military vets as fellow citizens, not members of a different and threatening tribe. The whole point of mandatory civil service would be to foster that same experience of service to a greater good shared by everyone in the country, something to bind people together with a common identity as Americans.


That's the theme he keeps hammering on about Wokeness. It divides people whereas the whole idea of America is to unite people. We definitely don't have to agree on everything, we can have our differences, we can live our differences and let others live theirs, but there has to be something underlying it all. Even if we vehemently disagree with someone we can still recognize our commonality as Americans.


Again, folks can like that or hate it, I don't have any ego involved in this so don't come spewing crap at me. I just saw the question asked over and over and wanted to share what I've learned so far, then folks can make up their own minds.

The US is a constitutional republic.

I have often said I would vote libertarian if there was someone to vote for.

We could sure use a change, I like the guy.

I always love when that traitor and her ilk start talking about "The Peopl"'.

He says some good things and has a quick wit. on the other hand I know how Trump performs as President. He has a great record.

Well, I knew I should have saved his great speech that got him noticed which he copied from Barack Zero and switched out a few words here and there.

So, Joe Rogan, Tucker and others have been incorporated by Trump.

Who of you think he wasn't also?

Not true. The word "democratically" doesn't appear in our Constitution. Democracy is rule by the majority of the population of a given polity.

A bit more than halfway through "A Nation of Victims" now. The more I read this guy the more I like him.

He is a Conservative Capitalist with capital C's but he is absolutely not a right wing ideologue. He certainly skewers modern woke culture, identity politics and all the sickness that goes along with them but he also takes a cold, hard look at everything in this country on all sides of political and cultural issues. He doesn't blow smoke up anybody's ass.

He strongly believes in the same paths and lessons of inconvenient truths recommended by great statesmen and philosophers across history (and rarely followed) who watched first hand as nations and empires rose and fell, who recorded the why of it and how those falls could have been averted.

I'll partially recant urging people to read his books. If your knee tends to jerk a lot, if you agree with someone 99% but hate him because of the 1% where you disagree, you aren't going to like him at all. But if you like someone who takes to heart lessons from Carthage, Rome, Greece, Hume, Kant, John Adams, Adam Smith and a whole bunch of others - well, you may or may not like him but at least he'll make you stop and think real hard about where we're going, where we should be going, and even more importantly how to get there.



Even if he never holds elected office, if he can be a voice of inspiration for a disaffected and disheartened nation and even minutely alter the course of destruction we're on then I think he will have served well.

a little off topic, but I've seen this making the rounds on social media pointed to Gen Z and the Millineals.

You may not agree but its a bit of a gut punch to me when I see it. I think it speaks to the angst that Gen Z has trying to buy a $400K house and a $45K car. Hell, I'm doing OK and I don't even want to deal with it. I don't know if Vivek is a pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of guy or if he thinks there are economic challenges facing the kids today that Boomers and Gen-X didn't have to face.

I still say that he is being presented to us as a way for us right-wing extremists to direct our anger and effort in a "safe" way (safe for the enemies of America, that is). And when he starts talking about the great replacement.... Ooh they really love that irony.

There's no doubt that the economic situation has changed--and it hasn't even taken all that long. Millennials had it better than Gen Z.

I bought a little starter home as an investment for $145K 3 years ago. I kept it a year and sold it for 172K. Those houses are going for $220K today.

comparison going around with the Xmas season, in Home Alone, Kevin buys groceries in 1990 and the total is $19 and change

someone went to a Krogers in their town last year , bought the same stuff and posted the price. OK, people understood, inflation over 30 years.

then they did it again in 2023. It was jaw dropping



I mean things are clearly out of the norm and for kids just starting out, it just seems incredibly hard which probably speaks to the migration to the South and the smaller cities of the Midwest

He doesn't fall into the trap of playing the blame game or pitting one generation against another. The central theme of "Nation of Victims" is pointing out how playing the victim and blaming everyone else for one's current state is killing this country in multiple ways. It might be true and blame might very well be laid at someone's feet, but it's counter productive and offers no way out. He's all about finding a way out.

He is a millenial and sees things in a way this boomer doesn't, but as far as I can tell he never flinches from the truth as he sees it or embraces the comforting lie. If specific members of the Baby Boom demographic are responsible for something he says so, if certain millenials took advantage of their boomer parents' wealth and then hypocritically turned around and blamed them for social injustices and "white privilege", he says that, too. But he doesn't say "all boomers this" or "all another generation that".


I've been sitting here trying to write a synopsis of his ideas and failing, he covers too much ground. I gotta admit that my knee wants to jerk like hell at some of the things he says and some of his solutions, but after getting up and walking around and thinking about it, what he says about nations and humanity rings true. I find myself taking great umbrage at his point of view about some things that occurred in the last 8-9 years or even much further back but have to remind myself not to get bogged down on specific points of disagreement.

The main theme in this book and the last is that he really believes in America or more accurately the original ideals of the founders as something truly unique in the world, and he's really pissed at how greed, cynicism and ever more concentrated power in the hands of the few are f*cking it all up.


Regarding the economic situation and inflation we're in right now, I just finished a chapter on the fall of the Roman Empire. It's not hard to guess what economic policies contributed to that fall.

Ditto too many believe that. Thank you Public Education and MSM

Repeat a lie enough, the people will believe it

Joseph Goebbels

Is that Kamala word salad?

It’s a Shame Somebody put a Totalitarian White Hating Boot Stomper as CCBI Director..

Don’t sweat the Small Stuff ..

There’s Bigger Fish to Fry ..

We just went thru No.2

Colleges and Universities put out No.1 on your List..

I’m thinking the Stranglehold the Marxist have on All Levels of the Federal Government Mandatory Service ain’t in our best Interest ..

Besides it would be Cruel and Unusual Punishment to the Presently Sane ..