What I got from that is that the thief received salvation because of his sincere repentance and sincere admission he was wrong and asked for forgiveness. This is the path to salvation that the bible states over and over.
This is what makes me think maybe even Judas Iscariot may have received salvation. He certainly repented, he certainly admitted his wrong doing, and I don't know how he could have shown more remorse.
But his last action was suicide.
In Matthew, yes. In Acts, no.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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The evidence shows that Jesus predicted His own death and resurrection…and pulled it off…and since He did that, then whatever He teaches is true. I’m accepting what He says on His authority because He’s proven to be a divine being.
It’s not that other worldviews or religions are teaching things that are false all of the time…probably all other worldviews or religions have some truth in them…, but if it differs from what Jesus says, then it would be wrong.
Other worldviews and religions may have many things right, but if they differ from what Jesus says, then they appear to me to have it wrong. And not on my authority, but on His. What evidence is there that other gods are actually true…?
The evidence shows that Jesus certainly existed 2,000 years ago, walked the earth and performed miracles, and predicted and accomplished His own death and resurrection. The evidence for this is quite good.
And you have ancient Israelites converting to this brand new belief system and paying for it with their lives to say this really happened. The difference between other gods and Jesus is Jesus says that He is the way and the truth and the life, and the evidence shows that these things are true.
Look at the evidence from any of the other gods and see which way the evidence points. And then make your decision.
What I got from that is that the thief received salvation because of his sincere repentance and sincere admission he was wrong and asked for forgiveness. This is the path to salvation that the bible states over and over.
This is what makes me think maybe even Judas Iscariot may have received salvation. He certainly repented, he certainly admitted his wrong doing, and I don't know how he could have shown more remorse.
But his last action was suicide.
Pretty damned remorseful I would say.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you." Hebrew Roots Judaizer
The evidence shows that Jesus predicted His own death and resurrection…and pulled it off…and since He did that, then whatever He teaches is true. I’m accepting what He says on His authority because He’s proven to be a divine being.
It’s not that other worldviews or religions are teaching things that are false all of the time…probably all other worldviews or religions have some truth in them…, but if it differs from what Jesus says, then it would be wrong.
Other worldviews and religions may have many things right, but if they differ from what Jesus says, then they appear to me to have it wrong. And not on my authority, but on His. What evidence is there that other gods are actually true…?
The evidence shows that Jesus certainly existed 2,000 years ago, walked the earth and performed miracles, and predicted and accomplished His own death and resurrection. The evidence for this is quite good.
And you have ancient Israelites converting to this brand new belief system and paying for it with their lives to say this really happened. The difference between other gods and Jesus is Jesus says that He is the way and the truth and the life, and the evidence shows that these things are true.
Look at the evidence from any of the other gods and see which way the evidence points. And then make your decision.
Great post.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter
The evidence shows that Jesus predicted His own death and resurrection…and pulled it off…and since He did that, then whatever He teaches is true. I’m accepting what He says on His authority because He’s proven to be a divine being.
The Gospels were written long after the described events. Paul had not met Jesus the man. Paul was not aware of some of the things written about Jesus in the Gospels, which were written much later.
The gods shaped humans out of clay with the intention of utilizing them for various purposes.
They were designed to cultivate the land, tend to livestock, and worship the gods. Additionally, the gods constructed magnificent cities and established the concept of royalty on Earth.
However, conflicts arose between the gods and humans, leading to a decision by the gods to destroy humanity through a catastrophic flood.
One god, Enki, disagreed with this course of action and chose to disclose the plan to a man named Ziusudra. Ziusudra, known for his humility and obedience, built a mighty ark based on Enki’s instructions, which ultimately ensured his survival during the deluge.
After the flood, Ziusudra humbly prostrated himself before the gods An and Enlil and was greatly rewarded for his pious existence.
Mayan creation belief
Canaanite religion
‘Yoruba creation myth
they all have floods that covered Earth, sounds like Christianity.
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“With respect to Jesus, we have numerous, independent accounts of his life in the sources lying behind the Gospels (and the writings of Paul) -- sources that originated in Jesus' native tongue Aramaic and that can be dated to within just a year or two of his life (before the religion moved to convert pagans in droves). Historical sources like that are pretty astounding for an ancient figure of any kind. Moreover, we have relatively extensive writings from one first-century author, Paul, who acquired his information within a couple of years of Jesus' life and who actually knew, first hand, Jesus' closest disciple Peter and his own brother James.” - Bart Ehrman
Bart Ehrman is the author of ‘Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth.’ He is also a distinguished biblical scholar, and an atheist.
99.99% of all of the history books that any of us have ever read were written long after the described events. The view (meant to be derogatory) that “the Gospels were written long after the described events” founders on its own premises. The reality…as unwelcome or unpleasant as some clearly find it…is that the New Testament documents are reliable accounts.
“With respect to Jesus, we have numerous, independent accounts of his life in the sources lying behind the Gospels (and the writings of Paul) -- sources that originated in Jesus' native tongue Aramaic and that can be dated to within just a year or two of his life (before the religion moved to convert pagans in droves). Historical sources like that are pretty astounding for an ancient figure of any kind. Moreover, we have relatively extensive writings from one first-century author, Paul, who acquired his information within a couple of years of Jesus' life and who actually knew, first hand, Jesus' closest disciple Peter and his own brother James.” - Bart Ehrman
Bart Ehrman is the author of ‘Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth.’ He is also a distinguished biblical scholar, and an atheist.
99.99% of all of the history books that any of us have ever read were written long after the described events. The view (meant to be derogatory) that “the Gospels were written long after the described events” founders on its own premises. The reality…as unwelcome or unpleasant as some clearly find it…is that the New Testament documents are reliable accounts.
Only in the Gospels and those who commented on the belief of Christians, Josephus , et al, but had not seen or met Jesus themselves. Neither the Jews or the Romans recorded the gospel events.
The Apostle’s were sharing Jesus’ words and telling of His works from the time that Jesus was alive until they died. They didn’t have to ‘try’ to remember back to anything when the Gospels and Letters were written. They shared the very same testimonies from the very beginning.
The Apostle’s were sharing Jesus’ words and telling of His works from the time that Jesus was alive until they died. They didn’t have to ‘try’ to remember back to anything when the Gospels and Letters were written. They shared the very same testimonies from the very beginning.
It most likely was not the Apostles who wrote the gospels. which were likely to have been penned from 55 - 95ad (John) by unknown authors writing under the pseudonyms of Mark, Luke, etc.....and these, including Paul's letters, is the only account we have of the life of Jesus. And Paul seemed not to have known much about Jesus the man.
''No parables of the sheep and the goats, or the prodigal son, or the rich man and Lazarus, or the lost sheep, or the good Samaritan. In fact, no Jesus as teacher at all.
No driving out evil spirits, or healing the invalid at Bethesda, or cleansing the lepers, or raising Lazarus, or other healing miracles. As far as Paul tells us, Jesus performed no miracles at all.
No virgin birth, no Sermon on the Mount, no feeding the 5000, no public ministry, no cleansing the temple, no final words, and no Great Commission. Paul doesn’t even place Jesus within history—there’s nothing to connect Jesus with historical figures like Caesar Augustus, King Herod, or Pontius Pilate.''
The Apostle’s were sharing Jesus’ words and telling of His works from the time that Jesus was alive until they died. They didn’t have to ‘try’ to remember back to anything when the Gospels and Letters were written. They shared the very same testimonies from the very beginning.
It most likely was not the Apostles who wrote the gospels. which were likely to have been penned from 55 - 95ad (John) by unknown authors writing under the pseudonyms of Mark, Luke, etc.....and these, including Paul's letters, is the only account we have of the life of Jesus. And Paul seemed not to have known much about Jesus the man.
''No parables of the sheep and the goats, or the prodigal son, or the rich man and Lazarus, or the lost sheep, or the good Samaritan. In fact, no Jesus as teacher at all.
No driving out evil spirits, or healing the invalid at Bethesda, or cleansing the lepers, or raising Lazarus, or other healing miracles. As far as Paul tells us, Jesus performed no miracles at all.
No virgin birth, no Sermon on the Mount, no feeding the 5000, no public ministry, no cleansing the temple, no final words, and no Great Commission. Paul doesn’t even place Jesus within history—there’s nothing to connect Jesus with historical figures like Caesar Augustus, King Herod, or Pontius Pilate.''
It’s interesting to note the fact that Caesar Augustus, King Herod, and Pontius Pilate are all three now just footnotes in the story of Jesus. Many more orders of magnitude of ancient historical manuscripts have been written about Jesus alone than all three of the others mentioned above combined.
Historians typically consider themselves fortunate to have ancient manuscripts numbering in double figures.
There are actually more than 15,000 ancient New Testament manuscripts (from fragments to complete New Testaments) - 5,000 in Ancient Greek alone - way more than what exists for any other ancient Jewish, Greek, or Roman literature.
The Gospels (and the entirety of all of the New Testament documents) were written from within living memory of all of its writers. These clearly biased deniers of the historicity of the Gospel clearly do not hold all of ancient recorded history to the same standards that they ‘selectively’ apply to the New Testament documents.
Our best surviving ancient biography of Alexander the Great comes from nearly five hundred years after his death...! And nobody doubts its accuracy.
The New Testament documents reports real events and real teachings of Jesus. These clearly biased deniers clearly don’t like that. But there it is.
“With respect to Jesus, we have numerous, independent accounts of his life in the sources lying behind the Gospels (and the writings of Paul) -- sources that originated in Jesus' native tongue Aramaic and that can be dated to within just a year or two of his life (before the religion moved to convert pagans in droves). Historical sources like that are pretty astounding for an ancient figure of any kind. Moreover, we have relatively extensive writings from one first-century author, Paul, who acquired his information within a couple of years of Jesus' life and who actually knew, first hand, Jesus' closest disciple Peter and his own brother James.” - Bart Ehrman
Bart Ehrman is the author of ‘Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth.’ He is also a distinguished biblical scholar, and an atheist.
99.99% of all of the history books that any of us have ever read were written long after the described events. The view (meant to be derogatory) that “the Gospels were written long after the described events” founders on its own premises. The reality…as unwelcome or unpleasant as some clearly find it…is that the New Testament documents are reliable accounts.
There's far more supporting documentation for Jesus than for Aristotle.
There's far more supporting documentation for Jesus than for Aristotle.
Is it really any surprise to know that the greatest figure in the history of Western civilization, the man on whom the most powerful and influential social, political, economic, cultural and religious institution in the world…the Christian church …was built, the man worshipped, literally, by billions of people today ~ is it really any surprise to know that these clearly biased deniers claim that none of it really happened and that it’s all made up…?
These clearly biased deniers have stated that even if they knew that Christianity were true, they still would not become Christians. That’s hardly a position based on reason and logic and evidence. Not by a long shot.
And what better way for these clearly biased deniers to malign the religious views of the vast majority of religious people in the western world, which remains, despite everything, overwhelmingly Christian, than to claim that none of it really happened and that it’s all made up…?
Y'all get this all solved to everyone's satisfaction yet?
Ain't going to happen. Too many clinging to minor points as if they were all important.
I mentioned earlier my recent trip through the backwoods and byways of West Virginia. There were at least 6 flavors of Baptist, the various Pentecostals, Assembly of God, Church of God, Church of God in Christ, unaffiliated, and even the snake handlers. There was a church every half mile in places and as I am told, none of them like each other's doctrine. There were actually a few of the now atheist "christian" denominations as in UMC, and Presbyterian.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you." Hebrew Roots Judaizer
