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Christianity is a matter a fact. It’s not blind faith. I simply invite people to investigate the evidence. And then make up their own minds. Like Dr Kindell says, "If we had a lot more serious sceptics, we would have a lot more Christians. They tend to prove themselves wrong." Dr Kindell sounds like a complete idiot.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Still hoping some Bible literalist will explain this model of the universe to me. Fwiw…. Care to show me where that “model” is found in the Bible?
The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”
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If the bible has errors, it can be wrong about a lot of things, including God. And the existence of Jesus. We’ve gone over this before…. As I recall, you did not accept that Jesus was indeed a very real historical figure. Correct?
The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”
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And all of the minor points that people cling to…all of em’…pale in comparison to the reality that Jesus predicted His own death and resurrection ~ and pulled it off…! So when He tells us all of the things that He does…especially that He’ll walk through this life with us, and that we can spend eternity in His presence…I believe Him. My trust and my confidence are in Him. Foreshadowing in a story does not make the story true. Keep in mind, the Gospels were not written at the time of the alleged events, but decades later by anonymous authors. A lot of story elements can change during decades of re-writes. Ah… just an opinion of yours stated as “indisputable” fact…..same league as the charter members of the ‘Fire DK club.
The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”
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If the bible has errors, it can be wrong about a lot of things, including God. And the existence of Jesus. We’ve gone over this before…. As I recall, you did not accept that Jesus was indeed a very real historical figure. Correct? You recall wrong. I don't deny the possibility that there was a charismatic rabbi behind the myth. I'm inclined to think there was. It's the supernatural elements, embellishments and claims of the story that are disputed. .
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Still hoping some Bible literalist will explain this model of the universe to me. Fwiw…. Care to show me where that “model” is found in the Bible? The citations are right there on the diagram of the model. I purposefully posted one with citations for those who have never actually read or understood the Bible. This was actually a pretty common model of cosmos during the time and place the texts of the Bible were written.
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If the bible has errors, it can be wrong about a lot of things, including God. And the existence of Jesus. We’ve gone over this before…. As I recall, you did not accept that Jesus was indeed a very real historical figure. Correct? Are the Norse, Greek, and Egyptian gods historical figures? Once upon a time people believed they were. Now, we know better.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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And all of the minor points that people cling to…all of em’…pale in comparison to the reality that Jesus predicted His own death and resurrection ~ and pulled it off…! So when He tells us all of the things that He does…especially that He’ll walk through this life with us, and that we can spend eternity in His presence…I believe Him. My trust and my confidence are in Him. Foreshadowing in a story does not make the story true. Keep in mind, the Gospels were not written at the time of the alleged events, but decades later by anonymous authors. A lot of story elements can change during decades of re-writes. Ah… just an opinion of yours stated as “indisputable” fact…..same league as the charter members of the ‘Fire DK club. Then you know my sources.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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If the bible has errors, it can be wrong about a lot of things, including God. And the existence of Jesus. We’ve gone over this before…. As I recall, you did not accept that Jesus was indeed a very real historical figure. Correct? Are the Norse, Greek, and Egyptian gods historical figures? Once upon a time people believed they were. Now, we know better. Indians don't. https://www.history.com/topics/religion/hinduismChinese don't https://historycooperative.org/buddhist-gods/400 million people are folk/traditional, cult or other pagan religions. https://www.learnreligions.com/how-many-religions-are-there-in-the-world-5114658#:~:text=About%2085%20percent%20of%20the%20world%E2%80%99s,and%20offering%20answers%20to%20existential%20questions&text=About%2085%20percent%20of,answers%20to%20existential%20questions&text=percent%20of%20the%20world%E2%80%99s,and%20offering%20answers%20to
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Here's the deal. I believe in everything in the Bible. I believe God sent Jesus to die for our sins and whomever believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life. I believe in the holy spirit, the forgiveness of sins. Life everlasting in eternal heaven, but only through the father. Here's what I mostly believe in. The resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Christianity could have been put to a hault right then and there, but they could not come up with a body. It was placed there by the Roman's themselves and heavily guarded. But they couldn't produce a body.
Jesus accendend into heaven and sits at the right hand of God, my creator who judges living and spiritual dead. It's facts. The earth is 6500 years old at best.
Praise God almighty and show the light to the unbelievers so they won't parish. And when I say parish, that's a burning lake of sulfer. That's where you'll spend eternity, so repent.
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Coyote,
Are you sure it's not 6,700 years old?
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I'll say it's just the right age.
What is important, we are saved by Grace.
These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
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I'll say it's just the right age.
What is important, we are saved by Grace. You are free to believe that, but it's a question of, is the bible a reliable source of information on such matters?
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I'll say it's just the right age.
What is important, we are saved by Grace. You are free to believe that, but it's a question of, is the bible a reliable source of information on such matters? Yes.
These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
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I'll say it's just the right age.
What is important, we are saved by Grace. You are free to believe that, but it's a question of, is the bible a reliable source of information on such matters? Yes. Yet there are contradictions and absurdities that point to the opposite.
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Even if one doesn’t believe in miracles, and even if one doesn’t believe in the Gospel, I do think that following Jesus makes one’s life better and makes one better at life. Fair enough....living the golden rule lifestyle accomplishes that.
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Socrates talked about the golden rule centuries before Christianity.
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Socrates talked about the golden rule centuries before Christianity. Moses wrote about it centuries before Socrates.....
"...A man's rights rest in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box..." Frederick Douglass, 1867
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Leviticus 19:18 written approximately 1400 years before Christ:
"Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge,,,but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord."
Predated Socrates by only about 1000 years.
May your eyes be opened.
Obviously reply was for DBT.
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"Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these."
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