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My take, not that it matters, is that they took a known cheap rifle that shot well, without great aesthetics (but originally that was okay because everybody knew what it was intended to be) and made it stand out as uglier. On purpose. Even put thought and work into it, it appears.
Same with the Savage Axis II.
I'm admittedly not a synthetic stock fan, but geeze, can we save the space age looking hunting rifles for the next star wars movie?
I own 1 synthetic stocked rifle as a bad weather beater. Even though it's a M98 with all steel parts, it still lacks soul for me housed in that synthetic. The type of stock that is on the rifle does not give it soul. What the rifle has done in it's life is what gives it "soul". My rifle with the most soul, wears a factory tupperware stock. When a rifle was a guys only rifle, and he cared for it and loved it, and took only that rifle on hunts, that is what gives it soul.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Tough room!
My standard RAR in 308 has been fantastic. Accurate and dependable. At $350 it was a steal.
The only thing I dislike is the aforementioned safety that doesn't lock the bolt.
If they turn out to be compatible, I will order the new 3 position the moment they become available.
Could even be talked into the new model if they become available in LH. Not likely at all, because there would be some kind of linkage to the bolt body, catching in a recess machined into the bolt body, which older models do not have. Might be able to be retrofitted, but not easily As far as left hand, I wouldn't put much money on that one either. Nothing in the new products. The predator LH models still are on the site, but that line probably will get dropped shortly. The best LH Americans were the special run of LH SS rifles that Davidsons did.
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Tough room!
My standard RAR in 308 has been fantastic. Accurate and dependable. At $350 it was a steal.
The only thing I dislike is the aforementioned safety that doesn't lock the bolt.
If they turn out to be compatible, I will order the new 3 position the moment they become available.
Could even be talked into the new model if they become available in LH. Not likely at all, because there would be some kind of linkage to the bolt body, catching in a recess machined into the bolt body, which older models do not have. Might be able to be retrofitted, but not easily As far as left hand, I wouldn't put much money on that one either. Nothing in the new products. The predator LH models still are on the site, but that line probably will get dropped shortly. The best LH Americans were the special run of LH SS rifles that Davidsons did. Not only am I left handed, I'm married with kids. I'm used to being left out!
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My take, not that it matters, is that they took a known cheap rifle that shot well, without great aesthetics (but originally that was okay because everybody knew what it was intended to be) and made it stand out as uglier. On purpose. Even put thought and work into it, it appears.
Same with the Savage Axis II.
I'm admittedly not a synthetic stock fan, but geeze, can we save the space age looking hunting rifles for the next star wars movie?
I own 1 synthetic stocked rifle as a bad weather beater. Even though it's a M98 with all steel parts, it still lacks soul for me housed in that synthetic. The type of stock that is on the rifle does not give it soul. What the rifle has done in it's life is what gives it "soul". My rifle with the most soul, wears a factory tupperware stock. When a rifle was a guys only rifle, and he cared for it and loved it, and took only that rifle on hunts, that is what gives it soul. Your opinion but I disagree. First it was stamped metal, but at least polished and blued where needed, and still some hand care of the overall fit and finish. Now it's injection molded stocks and parts of all sorts. The more a rifle is either made, or made to look like just a utilitarian tool, the more it becomes just that. Killing 50 deer with a hammer still makes that particular hammer, just another hammer.
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It's like the designers at Ruger challenged themselves by asking: "How could we build a rifle that's even uglier than a TC Dimension" and out from their drawing boards popped this hideous monstrosity. No kidding. Camo dipped stocks would have looked better than copying a home rattle can job. And the twisted flutes are a waste. The expense for the fluting could have gone to a better stock design. I like flutes as long as they are straight. I am not a fan of the twisted flutes. I can pretty much deal with the synthetic stock and cerro coating. But, not the twisted flutes. Just me. kwg
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Douche fluting, but still has a plastic bolt shroud......
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The best LH Americans were the special run of LH SS rifles that Davidsons did. I'm pretty fond of mine.
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More money for a rifle that likely still feeds badly. My 308 American sporter was made in 2014. Still running the original rotsry mag in it It has always fed flawlessly. One of the smoothest feeding bolt rifles I have ever owned.
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More money for a rifle that likely still feeds badly. My 308 American sporter was made in 2014. Still running the original rotsry mag in it It has always fed flawlessly. One of the smoothest feeding bolt rifles I have ever owned. That's sad, probably never owned a pre 64 model 70 (or any model 70 for that matter), Tikka, or even a m1917.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Tacticool bro! I can now run my Spacepro 10x100x85 mega scope, twist yo dials and splash the buckster and 2000 yards ovah in buttfugg county. Call me Scumlawd yo! No thanks. I can afford what I want and that ain't it.
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They took an economy rifle and made it douchey. Yay...?
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Folks b!tch if companies don’t make guns… Folks b!tch if companies do make guns….
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More money for a rifle that likely still feeds badly. My 308 American sporter was made in 2014. Still running the original rotsry mag in it It has always fed flawlessly. One of the smoothest feeding bolt rifles I have ever owned. That's sad, probably never owned a pre 64 model 70 (or any model 70 for that matter), Tikka, or even a m1917. That's fair, my RAR is not as slick as my M70s and not close to my Tikka. That said, it is not "hitchy" like my M77s. I've said this before, but I believe the cartridge (308) is a contributing factor. The geometry of that round with any remotely pointy bullet just wants to be in the chamber. It is a bit disconcerting that despite having some pretty nice rifles, the RAR goes to woods with me more often than not. Mine is accurate, dependable and utilitarian to the extreme.
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I saw one of these Gen 2s on Gun Deals yesterday for $598
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Folks b!tch if companies don’t make guns… Folks b!tch if companies do make guns….
🤷🤷🤷🏿 I just bitch about people who bitch about people who bitch if companies do make guns and bitch if companies don't make guns.
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It looks like Ruger finally made a stock that will fit me. I will give one a try.
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More money for a rifle that likely still feeds badly. My 308 American sporter was made in 2014. Still running the original rotsry mag in it It has always fed flawlessly. One of the smoothest feeding bolt rifles I have ever owned. That's nice, my 223 feeds like a vegan at a steakhouse. It's all good, some people are happy paying $125 for lipstick painted $20 rigging axe.
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My kid wants to get a 350 legend and just showed him this and now he wants one. Might have to check out the 400 before committing though. .350 Legend is a very good cartridge.
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More money for a rifle that likely still feeds badly. My 308 American sporter was made in 2014. Still running the original rotsry mag in it It has always fed flawlessly. One of the smoothest feeding bolt rifles I have ever owned. I've seen this assertion here before. Even in the "gunwriter section". The plastic American rotary mag is the most frail, piece of sht, fkn garbage mag, ever made. I suspect guys haven't pushed the mag past their narrow, fair weather points of view. Here's what happened with my rotary mag: repeated use with spicy recoiling 200 grain handloads in the 308 winchester, the tips of the bullets gouged the [bleep] out of the little Tupperware thingy. Would no longer reliably cycle. Ordered 2 of the "improved" ruger mags from midway usa. BOTH mags bound up, before they were even put in the rifle. Too much flex from all the frail, flimsy plastic. Both were returned and I was stuck with a rifle that didn't work. The early mercan is not compatible with a ruger-supplied AI stock(I called them). So had to retrofit a boyds ai kit to the original stock. I suspect this "gen 2" is simply a marketing ploy to cover the real reason for the change: Ruger was tired of the non-stop customer returns of a rifle that has a poorly engineered magazine. For example: Look guys! Twirly flutes! They have electrolytes! It's what plants crave.
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i'll try one just for grins
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