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Don’t much about religion but got this question on phone today. There is some knowledgeable folks on here that can heat this topic up. I understand a little of it. Fire away!

Because they know they ain't no such thing.
RB

They don't believe he's the Messiah because they wouldn't want to admit he's the Messiah and they decided to turn him over to the Romans so they could kill him.

The Romans, after killing him, eventually decided he was the Messiah.

The Jews are holding out for a banker or movie mogul.

The Jews believe that when Messiah comes, he will deliver THEM from the world. He came so that ALL might be saved through him. Their pious hypocritical attitude prevented them from admitting the truth. Thus, they believe His actual second coming will only be His first.

They are too proud a people to mix with the likes of Gentiles.

Everyone gets to choose their own myth. Or "belief". Everyone else is wrong.

It's enforcement where the problem comes in.

First of All the Talmud say Jesus is Swimming in a Pool of Excrement for the rest of Eternity.

Second All Religious Heretic's believe the Jews are Gods people and must be protected at any Cost

Sorry it’s Hebrews the Bible talks about as God’s People not the Jews in General..

Larry Fink in Particular

Jesus doesn't qualify because he doesn't meet the given description of their promised Messiah.

They give the reasons;

a. The Messiah According To Judaism

One of the basic premises upon which Christianity rests is that Jesus was the Messiah predicted in the Jewish Bible. Judaism has always rejected this belief. Since the goal of “Hebrew Christian” missionaries is to convince Jews that Jesus did in fact fulfill the requirements of the promised Messiah, it is necessary to examine the Jewish understanding of the Messiah to understand why such claims are simply not true.
b. The Hebrew Roots Of The Word “Messiah”

The Hebrew word for “Messiah” is “Moshiach - .” The literal and proper translation of this word is “anointed,” which refers to a ritual of anointing and consecrating someone or something with oil (I Samuel 10:1-2). It is used throughout the Jewish Bible in reference to a wide variety of individuals and/or objects; for example, a Jewish king (I Kings 1:39), Jewish priests (Leviticus 4:3), prophets (Isaiah 61:1), the Jewish Temple and its utensils (Exodus 40:9-11), unleavened bread (Numbers 6:15), and a non-Jewish king (Cyrus king of Persia, Isaiah 45:1). *

* Some form of the Hebrew word moshiach is used over 150 times in the Jewish bible. Christians consistently translate this word as anointed, except in the ninth chapter of Daniel. In this chapter missionaries deviate from this and other correct translations in an attempt to prove that the messiah came before the destruction of the Second Temple. Rather than speaking about “the messiah,” when read in context and with a correct translation this chapter clearly speaks about two different “anointed” subjects hundreds of years apart. a) The first is the anointed King Cyrus (Isaiah 45:1) who granted permission to the Jews to return and build the Second Temple 52 years “7 weeks of years” after the destruction of the First Temple. b) The second is the anointed priesthood (Leviticus 4:3) that was terminated 434 years “62 weeks of years” later.
c. The Criteria To Be Fulfilled By The Jewish Messiah

In accurate translations of Jewish Scriptures, the word “Moshiach” is never translated as “Messiah,” but as “anointed.” Nevertheless, Judaism has always maintained a fundamental belief in a Messianic figure. Since the concept of a Messiah is one that was given by God to the Jews, Jewish tradition is best qualified to describe and recognize the expected Messiah. This tradition has its foundation in numerous biblical references, many of which are cited below. Judaism understands the Messiah to be a human being (with no connotation of deity or divinity) who will bring about certain changes in the world and who must fulfill certain specific criteria before being acknowledged as the Messiah.

These specific criteria are as follows:

1) He must be Jewish. (Deuteronomy. 17:15, Numbers 24:17)

2) He must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10) and a direct male descendant of King David (I Chronicles 17:11, Psalms 89:29-38, Jeremiah 33:17, II Samuel 7:12-16) and King Solomon. (I Chronicles 22:10, II Chronicles 7:18)

3) He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel. (Isaiah 27:12-13, Isaiah 11:12)

4) He must rebuild the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. (Micah 4:1)

5) He must bring world peace. (Isaiah 2:4, Isaiah 11:6, Micah 4:3)

6) He must influence the entire world to acknowledge and serve one G-d. (Isaiah 11:9, Isaiah 40:5, Zephaniah 3:9)

All of these criteria for the Messiah are best stated in chapter 37:24-28 of the book of Ezekiel:

“and My servant David will be a king over them, and they will all have one shepherd, and they will walk in My ordinances, and keep My statutes, and observe them, and they shall live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant...and I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their G-d and they will be My people. And the nations will know that I am the Lord who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.” (Ezekiel 37:24-28)

Emphasis: If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah!
d. Why Jesus Could Not Have Been The Jewish Messiah

A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that, although Jesus was Jewish, he did not fulfill any of the other criteria. An examination of the contradictory accounts of Jesus’ genealogy demonstrates a number of difficulties with the fulfillment of the second criterion. Specifically, the New Testament claims that Jesus did not have a physical father. The Jewish Scriptures, however, clearly states that a person’s genealogy and tribal membership is transmitted exclusively through one’s physical father (Numbers 1:18, Jeremiah 33:17). Therefore, Jesus cannot possibly be a descendant of the tribe of Judah nor of King David and King Solomon.

There are even further problems with any attempts to use the Jewish Scriptures to prove Jesus’ genealogy through Joseph, the husband of Mary (Jesus’ mother).

For the New Testament claims that Joseph was a descendant of King Jeconiah, who in the Hebrew Bible was cursed to never have a descendant “sitting on the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah” (Jeremiah 22:30). Joseph’s genealogy, even if it were transmittable to Jesus, would only serve to further disqualify Jesus as the Messiah.

Finally, there is the problem of the contradictory accounts of Jesus’ genealogy in Matthew, Chapter 1 and Luke, Chapter 3. The common Christian explanation of this contradiction claims that Luke’s genealogy is that of Jesus’ mother, Mary. However, this is unfounded, even according to the Greek original. In addition, it has already been established that genealogy is transferred solely through the father, making this attempted explanation completely irrelevant. Even if one could trace one’s genealogy through one’s mother, there would be the additional problem in that Luke 3:31 lists Mary as a descendant of David through Nathan, Solomon’s brother, and not through Solomon himself as is prophesied in I Chronicles 22:10 of the Jewish Bible.

The third, fourth, fifth and sixth criteria have obviously not been fulfilled, either during Jesus’ time or since. Any Christian claims that these final criteria will be fulfilled in a “Second Coming” are irrelevant because the concept of the Messiah coming twice has no scriptural basis.

To summarize, we cannot know that someone is the Messiah until he fulfills all of the above criteria.

The Christian understanding of the Messiah and Jesus differs greatly from the Jewish biblical view. These differences developed as a result of the Church’s influence during the time of the Emperor Constantine* and the Council of Nicaea that issued the Nicene Creed in 325 CE.

Emphasis: The Messiah was never meant to be an object of worship. His primary mission and accomplishment is to bring world peace and to fill the world with the knowledge and awareness of one G-d.


https://www.jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/was-is-jesus-the-messiah/

Also a Roman solider named Tiberius Pantera, and a gal called Mary.

So, you're Jewish.

Careful, Jag. He might zap you with a space laser. Q said something would happen....

Yids worship Satan and their Messiah that they are waiting for is the AntiChrist

They've been setting up the world for their AntiChrist ever since crucifying Jesus

How & why is it, that you still don't know the facts ?

BOOM.
it’s Hebrews the Bible talks about as God’s People not the Jews in General.

Except that the Deep State is the Nephilim. Larry Fink is of them, the men of old, the men of Power.

The Bloodlines.

Satan tricked the world. Rev 2:9 and 3:9. HE tells us about the False Jews. The descendants of Cain.

No 2. HE said the Jews were stiff necked.

The real Jews thought JESUS the Saviour was going and kill hell out their enemy and save them. When JESUS didn't do that they rejected HIM.

From the days of Jared we have been at war with the Nephilim just as GOD told us, the Edomites, cananites, Amilecks, etc.

God replaced Saul with David because he didn't kill them all.

In Judges 1 HE said we are doomed to have them rule over us and punish an subjugate us and we will be tested and HE warned us we would have a Deep State. The Edomites are what we call Israel now are ethnicly cleansing their neighbors who are basically women and children whose men are mostly already dead from the Edomites killing them all these years as a subjugated nation.

The deep state are the Nephilim and they worship Satan and have been kicked out of many countries for dealing in adrenochrome.

The Great Deception of the Bible is the Big Lie of Global Warming, God is dead, Evolution, 3 Sexes, ETC.
And the belief the Nation of Israel that Lord Rothschild created are God's Jews. That was a big deception.

Israel was and is the Hebrew Tribes that formed The Northern Empire, the tribes left after the tribes of Judah and Benjamin and half the Levites split off and formed the Southern Empire. They called themselves Jews after the tribe of Judah.

Thus the 12 tribes became 13. Connect - 13 Colonies, 23 Stripes, 13 Arrows in the Eagles clutch on our currency.

Didn't the king ask JESUS if he was the King of the Jews?
JESUS replied, That's what you say. Why? Because JESUS CHRIST is King of All.

They were later taken over by Ancient Babylon after the decendants of Cain joined in with them as scribes and worked their way into positions of importance AND INTO THE PRIESTHOOD.

They formed the Pharasees and Saducees and were the ones who turned on JESUS and had him crucified.
Remember, JESUS doesn't lie. HE whipped them out of the Holy Temple and said, Ye Vipers, I knew your father the murderer from the BEGINNING.

Who was the murderer from the beginning. Cain.

1John 3: 11-12 said Be like Abel and not like Cain who is OF THE EVIL ONE.

In John JESUS even told those religious leaders who were trying to trap Him that they were not of the Father or they would know Him.

Why were they not of the Father? They were of the Evil One, the decendants of Cain cast into the Desert and who became the Kenites and Edomites and Cananites etc.

The lost tribes of Israel are those of western Europe and the US. Mark of Dan, Denmark. Great Britain- contraction of Great Birth Nation.

All of Israel will be Saved. HE is talking about HIS Believers, not the nation of Israel where most reject Christ as Savior.

And HE told Eve, for what you have done I will multiply your pain in Childbirth. HE multiplied it by 2.
Now why doesn't your church tell you when Satan scattered his seed of tares in the fertile furrow with God's seed of wheat.
Why did our churches bend over for Satan, our Govt and make the Deal with the Devil not to discuss politics in exchange for no taxes? Infiltrated by Satan?

HAPPY NEW YEARS, HEBREWS - iSRAELITES..

Jews rejected Jesus Christ because he did not fit their idea of the Messiah. He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him (Isa 53:2). He was rejected by the elites, the Chief Priests, Scribes, Lawyers and Pharisees. They rejected him because they did not approve of him, he wasn't one of their number. They are the ones who instigated his arrest and crucifixion and they swayed the people to ask he be crucified. The Jews as a nation will continue to reject Jesus as the Christ until his second coming. When he comes to their rescue after the Antichrist and his armies will slaughter 2/3 of the Jews living in Israel, they will recognize him by his wounds he received on the cross. And one will say to him, ‘What are these wounds between your arms?’ Then he will answer, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’ Zech 13:6. Then the remnant nation of Israel will turn to him and own him as their Messiah.

Some really good post from some really knowledgeable people.
Some asinine post from some asses.
It doesn’t take much looking to see that evil controls nearly all the world’s governments, especially our own.
It further doesn’t take much looking to see that the prophecies of the end times and the second coming of Christ are being fulfilled before our very eyes.
And it further further doesn’t take much looking to see that those who refuse to believe, will accept no proof. Even when the proof is before their very eyes.
And the worst thing someone who knows the truth an do is directly offer to pray or try to Point out the truth for the ones who refuse .
Their minds are already made up, and they’ll literally go to hell to prove it.
The best we can hope for is to reach those who do not know for sure, and time’s running out.
It pains me that I’m unable to reach even those in my own family.
I keep praying for strength in this, and I believe my prayers are being fulfilled through my new found church.
The game ain’t over, but I know it’s late in the 4th quarter…
Reon

Is it OK to pray for The LORD to open their eyes?

All right. Good deal.

Hey, kind of like all the Big Wheels in govt, Hollywood, Judicial System, DOJ, FBY, CYA, Wall Street, C of C, dimocraps, lieberals, leftists, snowflakes rejecting Trump when he's trying to save their ass and country and world.

Maybe they didn’t/don’t believe in Him because they didn’t/don’t want to believe in Him. Period. Maybe it’s the same reason that most people nowadays who aren’t believers don’t believe in Him either.

Maybe it’s not that they couldn’t/can’t believe ~ it’s that they wouldn’t/won’t believe. Maybe it’s not that people need more evidence ~ it’s that they choose not act upon the evidence that they have.

Folks been claiming the "end times" since the begining of time. Jews are almost as fuqked up as the Muslims, nothing good comes from that part of the world.

Good point. Want to keep on screwing around.

Hey, kind of like all the guys who say Trump will not drain the swamp and prosecute traitorus pukes and Make America Great Again, huh?