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God says nothing. People say a lot of things. As in this instance, it is not God saying anything, but you acting and speaking as a representative of the version of 'God' that you happen to believe in.

You can’t see radio waves, microwaves, Wi-Fi, bluetooth, etc etc etc
Yet…you know they exist.
Look around, observe….God exists

For those who are open minded enough to explore, and would be willing to turn in this direction and see for themselves: In Mark’s gospel we read about Peter’s experiences with Jesus that led Peter to believe that God came to us, and invited everyone to participate in what He was doing in the here and now.

It’s the story of Jesus as told by Peter, and it’s dictated to and edited by Mark, Peter’s traveling companion. For over 30 years Peter traveled around and told his story over and over and over. And now he’s in his 50’s and he’s been arrested and imprisoned in Nero’s Rome, and he might not know it yet, but he’s not leaving that city alive. And Mark, a Greek Christian who has traveled with him and heard him tell these stories a great many times, wants to document Jesus’ story for history.

And what Peter tells Mark comes to us as the gospel of a Mark. This first century historical document would eventually be collected, along with some of the apostle Paul’s historical letters, and historical gospel accounts and letters written by other’s, and then put together with the Hebrew Scriptures to ultimately become ‘the Bible.’

Mark wasn’t writing the Bible. He was simply historically documenting Peter’s experiences with Jesus. He’s sitting with a man he’s traveled with who’d spent years with Jesus, and 30 years after the crucifixion and resurrection, Peter continued to believe that Jesus was good news. And Mark takes this historical account of Jesus’ life and leaves Rome with it and goes to Alexandria (Egypt) and copies are made and they begin to distribute this account of the life of Jesus from the lips of Peter, who was an eyewitness.

And again, it was collected with some of Paul’s letters and other’s gospels and letters, and then almost 300 years later in the fourth century it was all combined with the Jewish scriptures into what we now know as ‘the Bible.’

The small mind in this conversation is you, mate. Sad you don’t recognize it.

Ironic that you say God doesn't say anything. In those verses Paul is telling you that your irrefutable evidence of God is clear if you would just look around at the magnificence of all his creation. You don't have to believe in everyone else's version of God, but you should seek to know the one who created it all. The question becomes, are you seeking truth or denying truth.

I guess, the don't "Get it".

This might have reached the pearls before swine stage now.

Are you sure? Jews have been praying:

Barukh ata Adonai Eloheinu, melekh ha'olam... Translation: "Blessed are You, LORD our God, King of the universe..."

for a long long time.

yours is opinion, yes? or can you cite a source?

They apparently didn't realize the size of stars and how far they were from earth (how could they), and imagined them falling to Earth.


Mark 13:15
And the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

Revelation 6:13
And the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.

Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Revelation 9:1
And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit.

Daniel 8:10
It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and some of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them.

Would it be too much of a jump for you to imagine the possibility that they are speaking of something other than stars. How would someone from that age describe a vision of the future? Is it possible that they might speak of missiles or comets falling to the earth as stars?

Everyone on here remembers what triple vaxxed weak cowardly dumb pusssy geriatric you were during Covid. You constantly praised your facist government lock downs and even supported Australia confiscation of firearms

These poor, young, dumb people who have been conditioned to blame the Boomer generation are going to get eaten up by those poor, young, dumb idiots who stand around with "Immigrant welcome" signs.

The poor, young, dumb women are the worst. If you poor, young, dumb males want to improve your lot, you need to start doing what you can to set your poor, young, dumb females right. They're going to get your poor, young, dumb asses conscripted.

As a sidenote,...my Millennial son got chosen to train a Gen Z girl who is totally without a clue about anything. She spilled a big tub of liquid and asked him what to do about it. He told her to mop it up. She told him that she had never used a mop before,...true story,...she asked him how to "mop".

He told her to Google it,...which she did.

I wish us Boomers had Google around back in the day. If we spilled something our daddies just whupped our asses with a belt until we got the hang of using a mop.

Gettin' ya ass whupped with a belt will turn you into a mopping' sumbitch,....even if you ain't never seen a mop before.

You are an idiot child who lies through their teeth. Making up little stories in order to act tough and feel important.

If you are incapable of arguing rationally, shoo, go play with your crayons.

That's no argument. I'd say you describe yourself.

Paul was not God. Paul wrote what he believed. We don't have the word of God, we have the words and beliefs of the authors of the gospels and Paul, flawed and contradictory.

That's a copout. The last resort of a lost cause, the inability to justify fantasic claims of Magic Creators, angels and demons.

Isn't it time for the human race to grow up and drop fantasies like 'God,' which is essentially a Santa story for adults....

Yes, that would be too much.

You're trying to make sense of the bible text in relation to what we now know, not what their view of the universe and cosmology was then. Genesis clearly states the stars are in the firmament. "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament

The stars were basically in the same structure (Firmament) as the Sun and Moon. They thought of the stars as something smaller that the Sun and Moon making small point of light. By that understanding it didn't seem crazy to them if they where to fall to Earth.

That's the thing - we can test for radio waves, and "see" that they exist. We can even generate and use radio waves to our benefit.

Everywhere anybody looks there is no god or gods.

Yep. Like they say, if they believe the absurd they can create and defend attrocities.