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I have freezer and fridge in garage and i got rid of the gfci soon as inspector got in his car, told him i was doing it. The arc faults suck aswell .
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The surge from compressor start will trip a GFCI. Perhaps not every time. Likely only when you have a house sitter.
Replace the GFCI. Reinstall it if you sell.
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Not sure what the last couple code cycles came up with, but at one time it was permissible to have dedicated circuits with a single receptacle for just this type of equipment. All general use receptacles were supposed to be on GFCI , though.
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I'm not putting my freezer on a gfi especially in a garage its a good way to loose a lot of food if it pops and you are unaware of it for a few days. The code requires the GFI for the garage, because it is a concrete floor. If you have a non-GFI, and there is a short in the freezer, and you are out there barefoot, you could get electrocuted. This happened to the little 5 year old daughter of my Little League baseball coach. I was a pall bearer.
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It was common to put a single outlet on a dedicated breaker to run one appliance.
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Great idea. I will have to look. I wonder why it was put in with only 1 outlet? Will 15 amps be enough. 20? It was common to put a single outlet on a dedicated breaker to run one appliance.
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Can I put a dual outlet in its place and run 2 freezers? Amp draw is 5 amps and I guess double that at compressor start up.
Worst case if they both kick up at the sane time is 20 amps?
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The panel has the GFI breaker switch. The existing freezer is on a dedicated non GFI breaker, I thought but it is not labeled. It must not be attached to other outlets. Might have to go down the line in each box until I find it.
I may just replace the outlet with a 2 receptacle unit but don’t know the amps until I find the breaker. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/fy4zRwZW/Untitled.jpg)
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The surge from compressor start will trip a GFCI. Perhaps not every time. Likely only when you have a house sitter.
Replace the GFCI. Reinstall it if you sell. This happened to me many years ago. Fortunately, it was a beer fridge so no harm. Swapped out the GFI and no more problems. Get one of these - Usage Monitor
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The panel has the GFI breaker switch. The existing freezer is on a dedicated non GFI breaker, I thought but it is not labeled. It must not be attached to other outlets. Might have to go down the line in each box until I find it.
I may just replace the outlet with a 2 receptacle unit but don’t know the amps until I find the breaker. That would work lol
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Can I put a dual outlet in its place and run 2 freezers? Amp draw is 5 amps and I guess double that at compressor start up.
Worst case if they both kick up at the sane time is 20 amps? If you can't see the answer in the very question you've asked here, you should hire a electrician. It's just two freezers full of frozen meat, what could possibly go wrong. It'd probably only happen on a hot summer day anyway...
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Yep, probably not a very good solution.
I think I will buy a non GFI breaker and replace the GFI breaker in the box using the same amps.
I will then replace each outlet with a GFI outlet EXCEPT the one that I am plugging the new freezer in.
Does this sound like the correct approach?
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The correct approach in my opinion would be to hire an electrician that will likely make sure a dedicated circuit goes to each freezer.
There is more than one diy approach.
I think JeffA might have meant "If you can't see"
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Being unsure of how to wire a residence makes paying for a professional a good investment.
Worse case is loss of life.
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Power outage of any length will likely cause both freezers to start at the same time. This could lead to 100% load.
They used single outlet recepticle because it is a dedicated freezer circuit. Dedicated freezer circuit does not mean you get to plug in all the freezers in the house.
Battery back-up alarm could easily and very cheaply save your bacon.
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The panel has the GFI breaker switch. The existing freezer is on a dedicated non GFI breaker, I thought but it is not labeled. It must not be attached to other outlets. Might have to go down the line in each box until I find it.
I may just replace the outlet with a 2 receptacle unit but don’t know the amps until I find the breaker. That would work lol REAL hard on the receptacles, though! When labeling panels by myself, I used to use a radio - turned up loud!
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I think JeffA might have meant "If you can't see" Zacktly, thanks
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If you leave on a GFI circuit, I suggest you get a battery operated temperature alarm for the freezer. I learned this the hard way.
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Yep, probably not a very good solution.
I think I will buy a non GFI breaker and replace the GFI breaker in the box using the same amps.
I will then replace each outlet with a GFI outlet EXCEPT the one that I am plugging the new freezer in.
Does this sound like the correct approach? If what you are describing means each freezer will be on a separate circuit breaker, yes. I haven't really followed you word by word but what I want to think is you have one, potentially dedicated, single receptacle, with it's own breaker in the area you intend to place this new freezer? It is already being used to run your old freezer? You also have a branched circuit in the area that has multiple receptacles and its protected by its own GFCI breaker? IF that IS what you have, you're good to go. One freezer on each circut breaker. If you choose to change out to a standard breaker, so be it, we lived for years without ground fault protection, hell, we lived without a ground at all for sometime. That's on you.. If you were to breakout the code book you'd find a arc fault receptacle is required today. A dedicated circut for a appliance with a electric motor is highly recommended but not required by code, but that doesn't give you a green flag to attempt to run 2 major appliances on a single circuit. I'm sure many do this successfully and would argue the point. The list of 'why nots' is much more meaningful than the list of 'but I got by with its'.
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Can I just use a multi outlet plugged into the non GFI freezer outlet? That's what I would do.
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