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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this.
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. I am amazed you know so many people LOL
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Why would someone want to drop a G on a leupold scope that they absolutely hate and trash every opportunity they get?
Asking for a friend Why would someone vote for a gun grabbing democrat just because it made you “feel” good? Asking for a friend…. Anyone voted for Obama shouldn’t be putting their opinion out there since their reasoning is obviously flawed. Damn , I love how keep following me. But I told you I’m not interested. Tell us more how you like your gag reflex checked by stumpy. You two are a perfect match. Broke back jack mountain big stick
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science.
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Why would someone want to drop a G on a leupold scope that they absolutely hate and trash every opportunity they get?
Asking for a friend Why would someone vote for a gun grabbing democrat just because it made you “feel” good? Asking for a friend…. Anyone voted for Obama shouldn’t be putting their opinion out there since their reasoning is obviously flawed. Damn , I love how keep following me. But I told you I’m not interested. Tell us more how you like your gag reflex checked by stumpy. You two are a perfect match. Broke back jack mountain big stick How’d that vote work out for you?
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science. No it isn't. But alot more folks do way more typing than hunting/shooting.
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science. Killed a few deer last season with a SS3-9x on 5x and never wanted for anything else, but I do prefer illuminated on a FFP reticle when in low power in thick woods.
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science. Killed a few deer last season with a SS3-9x on 5x and never wanted for anything else, but I do prefer illuminated on a FFP reticle when in low power in thick woods. Timber is my thing, have done ok without illuminated but it’s nice to hit the illumination and get that nice Christmas tree triangle at low power. Usually I just kill the buck and forget to hit the illumination. 15 yds if I remember correctly , no illumination, heavy timber 4x ffp. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/wB7tmLZB/IMG-7522.jpg)
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science. I have killed s hit really close with iron sights on a revolver, that does not mean a proper 2ndFP scope won't work better. 1stFP is a compromise at low power. Sure it can work but it's still a compromise. Leupold is smart enough to offer both reticle placements in the 2.5-10 and the 2ndFP is a better choice but the FFP is hardly a fail.
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A few years ago I glassed this buck and a doe move down a narrow peninsula onto some timber on the end of it. I jumped off on the raft and paddled in while by buddy waited into the boat. I snuck a few hundred yards down the beach and got into position. The doe spotted me and went flying back to the mainland on that narrow strip of land. The buck was right behind. I took the shot with my ss 3-9 on 3 power. Did just fine on the running shot. Dang that was fun. Good Sitka. They are on my shortlist.
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science. I have killed s hit really close with iron sights on a revolver, that does not mean a proper 2ndFP scope won't work better. 1stFP is a compromise at low power. Sure it can work but it's still a compromise. Leupold is smart enough to offer both reticle placements in the 2.5-10 and the 2ndFP is a better choice but the FFP is hardly a fail. 1st is good for young eyes. Not me. 2nd is best for old eyes. Me/
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science. I have killed s hit really close with iron sights on a revolver, that does not mean a proper 2ndFP scope won't work better. 1stFP is a compromise at low power. Sure it can work but it's still a compromise. Leupold is smart enough to offer both reticle placements in the 2.5-10 and the 2ndFP is a better choice but the FFP is hardly a fail. I hunted most of this year with a 2nd FP as I stole my daughter's rifle for most of my deer hunting. Didn't slow me down any.
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science. I have killed s hit really close with iron sights on a revolver, that does not mean a proper 2ndFP scope won't work better. 1stFP is a compromise at low power. Sure it can work but it's still a compromise. Leupold is smart enough to offer both reticle placements in the 2.5-10 and the 2ndFP is a better choice but the FFP is hardly a fail. I hunted most of this year with a 2nd FP as I stole my daughter's rifle for most of my deer hunting. Didn't slow me down any. Exactly.
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A few years ago I glassed this buck and a doe move down a narrow peninsula onto some timber on the end of it. I jumped off on the raft and paddled in while by buddy waited into the boat. I snuck a few hundred yards down the beach and got into position. The doe spotted me and went flying back to the mainland on that narrow strip of land. The buck was right behind. I took the shot with my ss 3-9 on 3 power. Did just fine on the running shot. Dang that was fun. So, you went from boat to raft, and paddled to shore? Did you have to bring the deer back on the raft, or was there a place for the boat to pull up? It's epic either way, but paddling back with a deer on your raft would be awesome.
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science. Killed a few deer last season with a SS3-9x on 5x and never wanted for anything else, but I do prefer illuminated on a FFP reticle when in low power in thick woods. Timber is my thing, have done ok without illuminated but it’s nice to hit the illumination and get that nice Christmas tree triangle at low power. Usually I just kill the buck and forget to hit the illumination. 15 yds if I remember correctly , no illumination, heavy timber 4x ffp. Same here but usually because I left it on the previous time and killed the battery like a dumbazz.
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A few years ago I glassed this buck and a doe move down a narrow peninsula onto some timber on the end of it. I jumped off on the raft and paddled in while by buddy waited into the boat. I snuck a few hundred yards down the beach and got into position. The doe spotted me and went flying back to the mainland on that narrow strip of land. The buck was right behind. I took the shot with my ss 3-9 on 3 power. Did just fine on the running shot. Dang that was fun. So, you went from boat to raft, and paddled to shore? Did you have to bring the deer back on the raft, or was there a place for the boat to pull up? It's epic either way, but paddling back with a deer on your raft would be awesome. Pulled it to the boat with the rope ?
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science. I have killed s hit really close with iron sights on a revolver, that does not mean a proper 2ndFP scope won't work better. 1stFP is a compromise at low power. Sure it can work but it's still a compromise. Leupold is smart enough to offer both reticle placements in the 2.5-10 and the 2ndFP is a better choice but the FFP is hardly a fail. Probably the smartest move they made offering both FFP and SFP in the same models, with matching turrets. Trijicons shortfall in my opinion. No idea why they would offer the lower powered/smaller obj. 2-10x36 with FFP only and the 2.5-15x42 in SFP only. My older mark 4 2.5-8 tracks well but cursed with a Mil reticle and MOA adjustments which is completely retarded.
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This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail? If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle. I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a s hit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices. you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this. Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science. Killed a few deer last season with a SS3-9x on 5x and never wanted for anything else, but I do prefer illuminated on a FFP reticle when in low power in thick woods. Timber is my thing, have done ok without illuminated but it’s nice to hit the illumination and get that nice Christmas tree triangle at low power. Usually I just kill the buck and forget to hit the illumination. 15 yds if I remember correctly , no illumination, heavy timber 4x ffp. Beautiful..
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