Mark 4hd

2.5-10 ffp TMR reticle

Exposed elevation mil turret, capped windage

21oz

If it would just hold zero it’s a no brainer.

Msrp is 999$

https://www.leupold.com/mark-4hd-2-5-10x24-m5c3-ffp-tmr

I’m hoping it’s a typo being a x24..

Interesting. A lot of questions and discussion will follow. Good to have choices. Let the games begin.....lol.

Added a bit.

It ain’t gonna dial/track reliably.. haven’t seen a leupy do that yet.. but if it’ll hold zero…. I can shoot the reticle and duck tape the dials. Lol

Sort of like an acog.

The TMR reticle looks pretty crappy on the website. May be better in person.

Under specs it states 42, so thinking it is a typo.

Almost a dupe for the NF SHV 3x10, but not illuminated.

Time will tell if it's same-ol or not. Hard not to buy NF for that package & price so their gonna have a tough market nut to crack.

MM

Send one over to 'Stick to test

If Leupold is trying to restore their image in the community, maybe hiring a competent web page proof-reader would be a good place to start. The objective typo is the kind of stuff I'd expect to see on a Chincom website. .02.

I like that it has 6" of straight tube for scope mounting on a long action. Like others have said, if it will hold zero it may have some merit. Until proven I will just stay with Nightforce.

The big difference is that the Leupold is FFP which I don't believe one can acquire in any of the max 10X NF offerings.

I get that L is trying to meet a price-point, but, FFP and max 10x magnification seems like Illumination is almost a must unless you're never going to use it under 5/6X.

I like L's TMR reticle as I had a few swapped into scopes when their custom shop still did it. I greatly prefer it to a Windplex as the TMR is quite a bit finer. Though I'm referring to SFP TMR, I've never used or looked through an L w/FFP TMR so I could be way off base.

Hold zero and dial.

Uh, not even close. FFP vs SFP

If only... I'd love to sing Leupold's praises and if they had the reliability of NF I'd jump on the Big L bandwagon so fast it would upset the applecart of every other maker. If only...

Checks too many boxes for me to not at least give one a try. From what I've seen of the TMR reticle, it's very good for all around big game use.

While I use and very much like a few NF's, I'm not really in love with any of their reticles for my uses. If functionality turns out to be equal, I'd go for the Leupold in reference over anything NF currently offers in a similar size and X range.

I haven't had the best luck with a few Leulolds dialing reliably through the years, but all a guy can do is give this one a try. Maybe they're working on QI, maybe not, but either way I trust my own results over internet influencers and those who otherwise stand to gain or loose on companies' reputations.

183314 Mark 4HD 1-4.5x24 (30mm) M1C3 SFP HPR-1 $ 1,149.99
183315 Mark 4HD 1-4.5x24 (30mm) SFP Illum. FireDot BDC $ 999.99
183316 Mark 4HD 1-4.5x24 (30mm) M5C3 SFP Illum. FireDot TMR $ 999.99
183737 Mark 4HD 2.5-10x42 (30mm) M5C3 SFP illum. TMR $ 1,199.99
183738 Mark 4HD 2.5-10x42 (30mm) M5C3 FFP Illum. TMR $ 1,199.99
183740 Mark 4HD 2.5-10x42 (30mm) M5C3 FFP TMR $ 999.99
183741 Mark 4HD 2.5-10x42 (30mm) M1C3 FFP PR1-MOA $ 999.99
183623 Mark 4HD 4.5-18x52 (34mm) M1C3 Side Focus FFP Illum. PR1-MOA $ 1,599.99
183624 Mark 4HD 4.5-18x52 (34mm) M5C3 Side Focus FFP Illum. PR1-Mil $ 1,599.99
183625 Mark 4HD 4.5-18x52 (34mm) M1C3 Side Focus FFP PR2-MOA $ 1,399.99
183626 Mark 4HD 4.5-18x52 (34mm) M5C3 Side Focus FFP PR2-Mil $ 1,399.99
183822 Mark 4HD 6-24x52 (34mm) Side Focus FFP PR2- MOA $ 1,499.99
183823 Mark 4HD 6-24x52 (34mm) Side Focus FFP PR2-MIL $ 1,499.99
183824 Mark 4HD 6-24x52 (34mm) M5C3 Side Focus FFP PR3-MIL $ 1,499.99
183969 Mark 4HD 8-32x56 (34mm) M1C3 Side Focus FFP PR2-MOA $ 1,599.99
183970 Mark 4HD 8-32x56 (34mm) M5C3 Side Focus FFP PR2-Mil $ 1,599.99
183971 Mark 4HD 8-32x56 (34mm) M5C3 Side Focus FFP PR3-MIL $ 1,599.99

While I havent yet looked at one in this particular scope, in general Leupold does a nice job with the FFP TMR. The measuring portions of the windage crosswire is kept reasonable, as is drop compensation on the lower elevation wire; as such, on low X the heavier lines come close enough to center to give quick aim/bracketing points, making it very useful throughout the X range, even without illumination.

It is illuminated and has a reticle leveling feature.

Interesting scope, and looking forward to seeing an unbiased review. I like my SHV 2-10, as well my Vx5 2-10. I am not a huge dialer or long range hunter. Nice to see a SFP and FFP option, as FFP is not my personal preference.

I believe MM is correct. They sure make it challenging to tell though.

The model linked to by the OP is not illuminated; however, according to their website the same scope is available with illumination.

183738 Mark 4HD 2.5-10x42 (30mm) M5C3 FFP Illum. TMR $ 1,199.99

Looks to be msrp $200 more; so likely street price very close to illuminated shv.

It looks like their site has a couple misquotes.

Doug,

I am traveling and on my phone,do you have a 183738 in stock?

Thanks…………..

Hey Larry,
Happy New Year. We have not received any of these new scopes in yet. Our rep says a couple of weeks. We have all of them on order

LMFAO. Nothing like a show pony! If your to fùckn stupid to order using your phone, the following review will be better than the last where your fat face keeps you constantly out of plumb.
Jesus, just order one and stop the look at me guys shït. It's sad. Hint!

Doug,

Save one for the guy traveling with his flip phone.

We do not have these scopes on our site yet as we are waiting for enough detail to build correct pages, so asking through this thread seems to me to be a smart move as at this time it cannot be ordered through our site. Hopefully these scopes as well as other brands new for 2024 products will be on our site in short order.

Jimmy:

It's a new offering. By extension, it's reasonable to conclude that retailers might not yet have them in stock and ready to ship. Further, several posters on and followers of this thread are interested in obtaining one, so BS asking publicly if they are currently available is, in fact, a service to others.

Stick is a poster on an internet forum. If you find any internet poster to be so irksome that it causes you to peruse their posts in an attempt to find something, anything to use as fodder in a type of "get even" post, then, for your own good, you need to find a new pastime. Maybe try shooting!

Leupold was dominating the PRS/NRL game with the MK5.

With the pricing on the MK4 HD it's going to be a bloodbath.

Shout when they arrive,as I am curious to see if they track,hold zero or repeat. Hint.

(3) airports of the 6 requisite,logged in.

Obliged…………

I give them credit for building what a lot of folks have been asking for. I haven't bought a Leupold in a few years, but I like a lot about these scopes fore several applications, and I will hopefully be knocking around with one before too long.

Shall do. Safe travels

Hint hint.

Poor poor (literally) Squirms,always on the outside licking windows,Dreaming about getting in. Hint.

To be continued. Hint…………

I'm aware that it's a new product. Simple email or PM to Doug would've guaranteed that the first one that came in the door would've been on the way to nowhere Alaska. How ever the need for attention brings him to. " I only have my phone and I'm traveling" guys look at me.
It's all but obvious that the only guy that needs more attention than the pygmy doctor from Alaska is John burns.

You have spent that last year plus running first class Chinese crap and bragging like you really found a gem. John for all his faults is still your father.

Jimmypop
Your doing yourself proud. Projecting it’s a thing…..

I thought Alaska was cold. Hint.



To be continued. Hint………..

This ^^ makes not a single bit of sense. Literally not any! I don't own a single Chinese scope. But I only have three guns and two are iron sights.

You should hit shot show this year to meet all the fans. Hint

You Crying Brokedick Kchunts will always find a reason to Whine. Pardon my simply shooting wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud. Hint.

To be continued. Hint………..

I could give a schitt less about FFP in that mag range.
Besides I do have a rangefinder.

Move the min mag up to 5 or 6, then I might begin to care a little.

Especially if it doesn't have illumination.

Contrary to some thinking, there have really been more than a few things actually killed with SFP scope.

MM

FF is completely unnecessary for hunting.
Capped windage and a zero stop are the best.

All these stupid fu cks thinking they need to use a FFP scope to make hits way out there are funny as hell. SFP has gotten it done for a very long time. What kind of scopes do you think Carlos Hathcock used? I think a lot here just don't have the actual experience, and believe what they hear. A FFP scope actually sucks at close range, where most game is killed, Where it really matters at long distance, you'll have your scope magnification cranked up, where it won't matter if you are using a first or second focal plan scope. On a 2-10 power scope, you guys are arguing about something that doesn't make a schit bit of difference.

That is very reticle dependent.

Drawing attention to oneself…..

I could explain it to you but I can’t make you understand it……

Option of either SFP or FFP, illum or not and like always Leupold will sell everyone before it's even made.

Reticles are well thought out.

That's an even bigger product line than I was expecting. Hope those guys in Beaverton have enough added capacity and like overtime.

The MK 4 1-4.5 is going to dominate High Power.

Going to be a fun time in Vegas if I ever get out of my booth.

Thanks, Brother Wizard

I've had a lot of success with both over the years. And while I don't disagree that a SFP that tops out at 10 isn't a deal breaker as far as reticles, I still prefer a well designed FFP if given the choice.

Use what suits your needs and sensibilities.

LOL I guess less than a post a day is definitely enough to make drama queen status. Jeff you sad ball washing beotch. Calling it straight makes you nervous but the truth is John and John Jr are in a desperate drama queen battle for campfire domination. LOL.

Regards Ksmithinhimmer. LOL.

TAG

I’m sorry I thought you were stupid
I didn’t realize you’re retarded…..

Sorry bsa, but this is nonsense. There are a lot of variables within that paragraph that can change the conclusion. You've made a pretty strong assertion based on a bunch of assumptions, which I would argue. Have you spent much time using FFP scopes?

I'm betting Carlos Hathcock got from Point A to Point B just fine in his 80's technology vehicle, too, but that doesn't make it the best choice in today's world.

Two time bronze medalist in the look at me event, 2020/2021 special Olympics. Guess who got first and second. Hint.
Keep washing those campfire cocks Jeffp.

You’re the consummate gentleman and businessman Doug. Appreciate your presence here.
Trijicon should follow suit and offer similar or offer the 2-10x36 in 42mm with the reticle from the 2.5-15 and a SFP option.

Jimmypussy is a sockpuppet of Fake SEAL and STOLEN VALOR poster KSMITH, Kris Smith.

And for comparison, we have exhibit A…. How not to operate a business.

We'll see if it holds zero......doubt it.

Funnily enough but I dig their 2-10x36 FFP.

It’s great to have options and good gear we have.

I do like the 2.5x15 SFP as well. Trijicon has made some good gear as of late.

Our web builder has gotten these new Leupold Mark 4 Riflescopes onto our web site and we are accepting preorders.

As of a little while ago these new Leupold are in our site. Thanks for your patience

Brother Doug working OT today. Thanks, Brother.

Holding zero isn’t their issue. It’s adjusting the scope for a new POI when it becomes a liability.

No joy. Hint.



Do you have a feel as to when? Hint...........

Picked up a 2.5-15 for my Rim-X and a 1-8x for an AR.
Almost grabbed a 2-10x36 for a Montana but grabbed a 3-10 SHV MOAR instead mainly because I have them on a couple other rifles and picked it up for $799.

I think the trijicons are flying under the radar and a big bang for the buck.

Doug, is the reticle on the 2.5x10x42 non-illuminated usable in the lower end of the power range?

The mk5's are notorious for zero shifts and dog schiet tracking.

Only in Paradise AK.

In the real world those scopes win matches and stack game.

Sure hope LiL Fish gets one shipped to him as soon as possible. Doubt it will be before SHOT SHOW but one can hope.

The STRUGGLES will be epic and the source of a few laughs and discussions.

The 2-10x36 is growing on me. Grabbed other rifles this year for hunting but I am going to hunt the [bleep] out of it next year.

I was generous calling you retarded….

I was serious about you clean those cocks! Don't fret over me pulling your card those hands gotta be soft as silk to do what you do.

Capping the windage and a locked zero stop is a great thing.
FFP is one of the last things I would consider in a hunting scope but I only hunt when it's daylight. Hint.

You’re projecting….

Trijicon has a great foundation I'd love to see a capped windage and a good locking zero stop on a accupoint.

Your washing balls that aren't yours. Congrats

A proud papa no doubt.

John, I'm Kris smith!!! and you are a starving rifle builder with a good reputation. LMFAO.

Pavlov’s dog

But you’ve been here all of what?….4 months bigshot? Give it a rest.

If nothing else it’s funny as fu.ck to watch the ankle biters bitch and nip their way into internet stardom…

A good 6X42 fixed would be the ticket.

I play with a lot of scopes, both shooting and hunting. The end goal of all that play time is placing a bullet where I want it when hunting. I could get by just fine with SFP scopes. I could get by just fine with FFP scopes with a well designed reticle. End result is I've come to prefer a well designed FFP reticle for all around use.


Doug really is. He spends his time laying out options and allows each of us to make a choice that "suits your needs and sensibilities" as Starbuck stated.

According to our rep scopes will start shipping in the next couple of weeks. He's supposed to get a better guesstimate of which scopes when either today or Monday. As I get intel I will share

Is the current Leupold 6X42mm no good?

"White knight" and "cover for" all you want for the brand you sell. It's a known issue and we will see if leupold has improved.

Can you ask him if these will work properly (ie retain zero and track)?

Doug,

Those are going to be very popular scopes. I hope Cameraland sells a bunch of them.

Has Larry contacted you about his claimed defective Leupold MK 5?

If one was to order a Leupold MK 4 and found it defective what is the procedure for refund or replacement?

You carry a pretty wide selection of nice scopes. What does your data say about customer satisfaction for Leupold vs other scopes?

Most of us are victims of our experience but you must get a lot of customer feedback and it would be strange for you to carry a product line that, according to a few vocal posters, has a very large number of defective units.

Thanks in advance for providing some unbiased information that customers can use in deciding future purchases.

Perhaps the Reupold MK5 3.6-18x would benefit via retrofit,of a Reupold Spotting Scope Erector Assembly,because as issued,they are not worth a flying fhuqk. Hint.




Just sayin'.........

I’ve been using the 3-18 TenMile for a few years now on the Mashburn. Just snagged up another one the other day for a few bucks over a 1000 which is several 100 under where they usually sell. Favorite scope so far. The 2-10 is very good as well.

I have the 2.5-15 on a few rifles as well that work well. Also their 3-9 Credo on my old 338. Lately they’ve been my pick for serious stuff.

Be great to have Leupold be great cause they have a very good vets program that I’d use the heck out of. Here’s hoping the MK4 is good.

Dearest LiL Fish,

Do you feel the MK5 you purchased was defective in design or in manufacture?

Have you contacted Doug for a return?

If I had such EPIC STRUGGLES with any brand of product it would be hard to purchase anymore but you sure seem excited to order another Leupold from Cameraland.

I've quite a few 'scopes from CL,that exceed their billing. Reupold simply can't begin to hang. Hint.







Likely hardware too. Hint.



A coupla NightFarces lit over night. Hint.



Pardon the reality,of reality. Hint..............

Dearest LiL Fish,

That's great but it does make one wonder why you are so anxious to get another Leupold from Cameraland when your last one caused you to STRUGGLE in such an EPIC fashion.

I mean, we all got a laugh out of the thread, and if you goal is entertainment it sure worked.

I will say your attempts at testing Leupolds and then posting pictures of the STRUGGLE almost seems like a job.

What did you here back from Doug about a return on the MK 5? I'd like to keep track of that scope.

And another optic thread goes into the crapper.

John,
I agree these new Leupold scopes seem like a great addition to their offerings. Of course, time and usage will be the review of them.

He has not reached out to me to intervene on his MK 5 issue. As with any issues with any brand we handle, whether it was originally purchased from us or not, it's our pleasure to assist.

With any newly purchased product, be it this new series of scope or anything else, if it is an initial defective reach out to us. Every brand has varying methods of handling this type of issue. In some cases the brand will e-mail a pick up tag to get the product back, in some cases we will. If it is a refund we will issue the refund. If it is an exchange sometimes the brand will send the replacement and other times we will. Again, it depends of the brands policy. We try to be as efficient as possible and to keep UPS and Fed Ex at a minimum. Obviously, the most efficient way is the brand sends a pick up tag and a replacement product. Much better than ship to us, ship to brand, brand ships to us and we ship to you.

Our experience with Leupold has been positive. By that I mean we sell a fair amount of their scopes and I cannot recall the last one that I got contacted about with an issue.

Overall the brands we carry have solid quality. We do our best to choose and carry quality brands. We do not carry anything and everything to make every sale. We prefer to carry brands that we can offer quality customer service, brands that when we need an answer to a question we can reach a rep and when there's an issue we can efficiently assist and of course brands with quality offerings. Through the years we have carried brands that as you can see we no longer carry. There's reasons of course and these reasons vary. Unfortunately, over the decades, this industry has changed. Companies that once were filled with industry folks who started at the bottom and worked their way up and understood not only the needs of the consumer but the needs of their retail partners have retired and the new regime, in some cases, are bean counters that come from either other industries or ivy league schools and, IMO, haven't a clue about their products or care about their consumers or retail partners. In some cases companies have been bought out by public corporations and the bean counters care more about the stock holders than the consumers that keep them in business. It's an ever changing industry which is why we go to SHOT Show every year. To see the people we work with, to cultivate relationships with the people we buy from, to look for new quality offerings and to listen and learn what's going on industry wide.

I will repeat what I always post......ALWAYS feel free to pick up the phone and call us, 516-217-1000, to discuss what it is you're interested in, to compare different options, if you need assistance with an issue (not an issue with your spouse as we do not have that much free time) or what we can do for you on the product that does interest you.

Riar Rarry destroyed the spotter 3 times to send it back in spite.

All it takes is reading the repair report to see how it "puked".

Destroyed main tube
Destroyed objective assembly
Destroyed eyepiece assembly

It is never not funnier than fhuqk,when Drooling Dumbfhuqks become a "we",to extoll their VERY well founded and countless Insecurities. Hint.

Not even I,can gun wares until they exist and I'm rather at ease with using my loot for R&D,to see actually WTF. My MK5 Reupold is a screaming pile of fhuqking schit,none of which is on any Vendor and Doug's involvement is less than zero. Hint.

If/when the 183738 is available,I'll simply shoot it with Live Ammo,to see WTF. After same,I will report said findings,no different than any of the 100's of other scopes in my larder. Hint.

"Here" is a VERY Big Word. Hint.

Pardon the power of my words and a simplistic critique by me,swaying the Market. It could go NO other way. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Doug,

Thanks for the response.

It's good to know your experience with Leupold matches mine. I have great luck with Leupold and your customer feed back is another good indicator the MK4 will be a big hit with shooters and hunters.

If Larry reaches out for a refund I would be interested in purchasing that MK 5 that caused him such struggles.

Thanks again.

Why would anyone reach out to a retailer for a defect? They would contact the manufacturer.

We get it burns. Leupold sales put food in your fat f ucking gullet...

John,
I strongly suggest you look at the GPO GPOTAC 45 Spotting Scope. It's normally $1,299.99 and we have it on promo for $899.99. It is an excellent optic.

"The GPOTAC 45 15-45X spotting scope is designed for shooters looking for an advantage in shot placement. It has a custom-designed first-focal plane reticle built for the precision long-range shooter and includes bonus features such as Picatinny rails for supplemental sighting and a honeycomb objective filter lens cap that minimizes objective lens reflection. As a bonus feature, its PLR reticle is matched with the first focal plane PLRi reticle in the GPOTAC 4.5-27x50i riflescope. This creates the ultimate scope and spotter combination."

FEATURES:
Mil-based first focal plane (FFP) PLR reticle
Picatinny rail mounting system
Matching FFP reticle to GPOTAC 4.5-27×50 riflescope
Armored for durability
GPObright high-transmission lens coatings
DOUBLE HD objective lens

Dearest LiL Fish,

Would you consider yourself an "influencer" and would that influence to sway "the Market" have any value to a scope company.

I know Athalon has been pretty agressive with their marketing using "influencers". Maybe you could get on the Team and have a little side hustle?

Do you consider yourself an influencer or a salesman?

squirms,

I simply shoot what I want,when I want,because I can,as per whim. Hint.

"Athalon" is a VERY Big Word. Hint.

Pardon my sway of the Market and the power of my words greatly exceeding your's. I've a rather nice part time job. Today is pay day and that check has (5) whole digits. Your financial woes,assuredly aren't mine. Hint.

Your countless very WELL founded Inseurities,are fhuqking HILARIOUS. Hint............

Stop it please!!! You hurt my feelings LOL.
R&D happens more here than anywhere else on the internet 🛜. Jeffp's mastered the reach around. The campfire experts are all 100# over weight and lonely. Who can see this is a shït show with shït winds drifting [bleep] roof top deep.

Yep. Only a sheister, scammer, or complete idiot would think of sending a mounted and used scope back to the retailer.

I think the term that (sticks) out was, "WORD CLASS WEARS!! Then a shelf full of Chinese scopes is pictured and no one needs any more information than that.

This is the place where it all happens. Bank on it.

Jimmypoopshispants……

What a pissant

Doug,

That looks like a great spotter but I have quite a few and am not looking for another right now.

I can say that one would be on the short list and it looks like someone put some thought into the attachments.

The price is amazing and if you say it's an excellent optic that's a pretty good recommendation. Lots of good optics these days.

Some gals are relegated to setting on the sidelines of Life,rattling Brokedick Pom-Pom's as they "live" vicariously and reading is as close as they will EVER get to "doing"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

"World" and "Wares" are VERY Big Words. Hint.

Pardon wares that exist,as you "get" to Pretend aloud. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Doug already stated he would stand behind the optic if he is the one who sold it.

It's actually pretty standard practice to get a refund from the retailer for a defective product.

I have also offered LiL Fish a refund if the MK5 is in LNIB condition.

We have pretty much proven Leupold does not have a systemic issue as Doug is not seeing any customer issues so LiL Fish's STRUGGLES are an outLIAR.

She’s a child who grew up with the autonomy of the internet, and developed diarrhea of the mouth

How could one use this website on the road, but not be able to do online commerce on the road?


If these scopes hold up, track, and maintain zero, they will check a ton of boxes. I wish they made something between the 2.5-10x and the 4.5-18x, or a side-focus on the 2.5-10x. I don't care for the large weight penalty jump between the two.

You’re grasping now. Why would anyone involve CL with a Leupold issue?

Doug has some of the best customer service in the business and would no doubt get involved with an issue that wasn’t satisfactorily resolved by a manufacturer, but starting with CL doesn’t even make since.

Professional Victim Snake Oil Salesmen,are funnier than fhuqk,with their very WELL founded Insecurities. Hint.







Not all wares are "equal",nor close. Hint.







Flipside. Hint.







I'll yank the newest Accuracy International AT-X Seex Kreed outta it's packing parcel,maybe here in a bit. Hint.

Pardon spent primers,being THE Supreme Tutorial. Hint.............

LOL. Ksmith has found her way under the skin.
Jeff's hand soft John Jr?

Well every time you gaze upon the aluminum bedding block think of your buddy down in Wyoming having a LiL chuckle.

Every time.

Hopefully now that you have given up on trying to cobble together a good rifle you won't have such scope STRUGGLES.

Yep, it's not that hard. Doug hasn't bankrupted 2 companies so far either................

To be fair Stick, John burns is just as much a fat pile of [bleep] as you, it would take more time than it's worth to declare a victor. Jeffp's voting record doesn't count he's only in it for himself. Ace's enjoy a golfer that knows more about ballistics than you. Hahahahah.

"If you have to brag about money and material possessions in your life, there probably isn't much else to it."

-Unknown author

MR. Stick this has to sting just a little! Being made fun of by Johnburns with him kinda sorta having the upper hands got to bring the blood pressure up a little.

I'm better at this whole pissing on punks thing than I thought I would be. Not bad for a first try!

With love KSmith/Burns.

jimmypoopshispants =deflave?

Definitely a puppet

Now you are projecting. LOL
Jeff don't waste your only thought of the day on me.
Oh and for a girl my nuts are fabulous!

Seriously...THAT is the best you can come up with?


Are you a ten year old?

You’re right thanks

Not only that, but the vast majority of Leup buyers are 1-2-boxes-of-ammo-per-year hunters that will never use the scopes in such a way as to discover any deficiencies. The same goes for buyers of other brands that target that type of hunter as their customer base.

Well if you buy from a fly by night internet dealer and get a ChiCom Leupold knock off I doubt you will get a refund.

If you buy a Leupold at Scheels you have a year to get a complete refund for any reason.

Buying from Doug is a safe bet that if the product is truly defective and you don't want another he will make it right.

The idea that good retailers just pawn a buyer off on the manufacture is just wrong.

LiL Fish and a few here squall that Leupolds are all defective so why would anyone with LDS want anything but a refund?

Why would anyone with LDS ever buy another?

These new MK 4s are going to be hard to get for a while so if you regularly STRUGGLE with with scope you should hold off and let the guys with good rifles buy the MK 4s.

Thanks for your cooperation.

LOL.

In your hallucination the new MK 4s are for "1-2-boxes-of-ammo-per-year hunters"?

The MK 5 is the dominate scope in PRS/NRL and this new MK 4 is targeted to the same high volume shooters who run the dials hard.

Doug has already told us that he sees zero issues with the Leupolds he sells and if you are the first guy with issues he is just a phone call away. Pretty good reason to give him your buisness.

Your case of LDS is all on you.

In "fairness",my Reupold MK5 3.6-18x seemed fair to middlin',until set upon a World Class Rifle and introduced to Live Fire. Hint.






The erector is ABSOLUTE Fhuqking Dog Schit. Hint.






Peel the MK5 and the platform is restored to it's former SPLENDOR. Hint.



Too bad they don't have the MK4 Spotting Scope Erector Assembly. Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

Brother Burns,

How often do you grease your Leupolds?

Brother Stick has done it again. Posted a TTT test . LOL

For Pete's sake, we don't need to see the same photos again.

Pardon wares that exist,while you "get" to Pretend aloud,as you "live" vicariously. Hint.

Your Hurt Feeler Reports are soothing. Hint...............

That's a tired line. Do you have anything fresh? I'd say broken clock, but those are right twice a day. Perhaps a broken record is a better analogy.

They are only new to the posting party, everyone else knows his fat face pushed the scope out of level. The world class R&D will continue. LOL. I typed that with a strait face.

I have to say, LiL Fish, you are the only guy in the world with a 3 MOA Voodoo.

Like Leupold, I here a lot of good things but your example might be an exception.

Copy paste! Seems when you get rattled you go keyboard warrior and get yourself in a deeper hole! Just keep copy pasting its survival of the fattest up in here.

Jeff I farted easily want check my nuts for splatter! LOL.

Love Ksmithinhimmer/flavorD.

Must stink to have such a fragile ego in life that you protect yourself by claiming everybody critical of you is jealous or has "hurt feelings". But for pete's sake, I can't log on without seeing the same photos reposted and crummy youtube videos that are over a decade old for the millionth time. Too bad there is nothing useful to add to the discussion by either of those turds.

Where did anyone say or even insinuate that?

When I buy a Leupold, Leupold gives me the life time warranty, not the retailer. Why would anyone with 2 firing brain cells take a warranty issue to a retailer? I have had some issues with Meopta optics that were purchased from CL, never did it cross my mind to contact CL vs Meopta that issued the warranty. There was definitely comfort knowing if there was an issue with Meopta, CL would be a big help.

In your never ending quest to try and appear as the smartest man in the room, you come up with some off the wall stuff.

Who are you buying Leupolds or any optics from?

As I posted the big stores like Scheels have a very generous refund policy.

Doug has stated he has a refund/return policy but has never had any customer complaints about Leupold. Just because he has never had a customer complaint about leupold does not mean he won't be there to help the first Struggler.

Your issues with where ever you're buying are readily solved. Work with a good retailer.

I find it amazing that you have met the vast majority of leupold owners.

Pardon my complete control of all facets of your "Life". Hint.

Keep The Hurt Feeler Reports coming. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..........

Again, where have I stated any issues with a retailer?

I’ll wait.

Nobody has "hurt feelers". You just keep posting the same crap over and over again. Do you have anything fresh? Or meaningful to add to the discussion? I'm guessing not, more copy-paste bullshit. Your fragile ego...

Good, use your words man.

Be adventurous and step it up!


ps...I like to encourage excellence.

Copy paste! Copy paste!

Hence the reason I asked you in the post you quoted of mine.

Now I guess I'll wait while you try to figure out how to not answer where you are buying Leupolds that won't offer a refund policy.

Doug has one but has never had any customer ask for a refund on Leupolds.

Pretty sure Cameraland would be a great place to get one of the new MK 4 HDs.

Sweetie,

Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery and pardon my controlling your punctuation too. Hint.

How many times a day,do you think about me and what are average durations of same? Hint.

Pardon wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud and pen more Hurt Feeler Reports. Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Copy/paste, prop up your fragile ego. Broken record. Go away. Come back when you have something productive to post. You are a waste of bandwidth.

You won't like the eye box on the NX8 but the compact is a dream of an optic if the reviews are right. Hint.

Take the source and the mental health into consideration. Just saying.

LiL Fish,

I to would like some "wares that exist".

How much for that nice MK 5 you don't seem to be using.

I might have a good rifle to mount it on and give the dials a whirl or 3.

Thanks from;

Wanting Wares in Wyoming.

John you drying out for shot show this year?

Sweetie,

Fortunately for you and your ilk,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Pardon wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud and pen more Hurt Feeler Reports. Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!..........

Gee, I went over and was checking out what people on Sniper's Hide think of certain scopes. It seems there's a lot of people with verifiable resume's that somehow get magical scopes that work. Then you have a huge retailer here saying the same thing.

Funny how that works.

Very predictable. Nothing new. What is it that I am pretending about? What is it I can or can't afford?

If you can't tell us your experience with the Mark 4HD, which you can't, you're wasting bandwidth as usual.

You sure you’re not a Democrat?

I’d guess 80% of all my optics have come from CL, but again, if I have a warranty issue after the product has been used, I’m going straight to the company that issued the warranty.

Ps; I re-read Doug’s post and your reading things into it that I’m not.

Sweetie,

Was hoping to purchase one yesterday,while setting in First Class. Hint.



Keep your Hurt Feeler Reports coming,as they sure are soothing. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

What is it about affording to contribute? Owning something a rifle and optic that isn’t the one we are discussing?


I’ve owned an AX for YEARS. Topped with alpha glass. I’ve even killed [bleep] with it. Big deal.


On the other hand, you’ve not contributed.

Yeah and you’re too [bleep] dumb to use your smartphone for anything other than copy-paste.

Wanting to purchase one doesn’t make you qualified.

Sweetie,

Keep extolling your very WELL founded Insecurities,via Hurt Feeler Reports. Hint.

Pardon my inability to procure wares,until they exist,while you "get" to Pretend aloud...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint.

You'll be GLUED to my critique of same and ogling the Splendid Pixels,as you continue to follow me around and "live" vicariously. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

If the reviews are right? Lol

Gotta love the do nothing crowd. Going by someone else’s experience.

Can’t spell, can’t use a smart phone, can’t predict who owns what, can’t properly mount a scope, can’t shoot! That’s Little Dick in a nutshell. You’re a laughing stock waste of bandwidth.

I can confirm that the NX8 has a pretty tight eye-box. Buy the ATACR if you want something in that formfactor.

As we all know and I pointed out a simple email to Doug would have saved a scope for John Jr when they were available. In fact most likely the first one out. It wasn't anything to do with getting a scope it was about attention! The guy is so desperate for attention it's sad.
But what would you expect for a guy that can't email from a smartphone.

I knew there was a splash of retard in your genes when I looked at that picture you posted of yourself. Now its crystal clear. Frank himself said they fail like crazy in his classes. Had to have ATACR loaners on hand just for that reason.

The hide is littered with Leupold [bleep] the bed threads, especially the mark v.

Sweetie,

Weren't my intent to horn you up,but your HomoErotic Proclivities are without bounds...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Keep filling out those Hurt Feeler Reports and I'll happily fuel the paper for same. Hint.








Your Whine is soothing. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

I'm sticking with iron sights. Scopes scare the shït out of me.

It's hard to tell if you're bitching or bragging?

If you have it all figured out then enjoy.

If another was thinking about buying one of the new hotness Leupold MK 4 HDs then Doug has said he has a refund policy if you find the optic defective and want your money back instead of a repair.

Some of you guys seem to just enjoy the STRUGGLE when the easy button is right in front.

LiL Fish just posted her EPIC MK 5 STRUGGLE and instead of seeking a refund she is trying to order more Leupold goodness.

When you had a life and no money, now you're rich and lonely. Weird how that went for you.

Little Dick posts the same 15 year-old videos again; ignoring criticism to protect that precious ego. What a hoot!

The less expensive model will definitely be better.

“Weeeerrrlllllddd Cllllaaaawwwwssss” scope mounting.

Goop runneth over,cracks me the fhuqk up,nearly almost as much as vicarious "living" Brokedick Crying Kchunts and their perpetual Hurt Feeler Reports do. ALMOST. Hint.



I'll feign my GREAT "surprise!",that you are glued to my EVERY word and Splendid Pixel,if only to escape suffering being you,for fleeting moments. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Look at this crappy mounting job. What an idiot.

You can't actually believe that I read the reviews! And posted the information. Please don't be the dumbest guy on here.

Regards, KSmithburns/flav. LOL.

I'll let all you Leo-Tards beta test the new alphabet soup models for 1500 rounds of so.
If by some wild chance you find one that makes it that far and still works.
Let me know.
I might actually try one.


dave

The only thing more pathetic than someone who post old videos of doing things is people who whimper about it and have no videos of doing anything.

Just Sayin, Kiddo.

Its the same four or five videos over and over. I don't make videos...sounds like you want me to. His aren't serving a purpose. Who would have thought you and stick turned out to be butt-buddies?

Meanwhile, I've posted dead animals, and proof of winning.

You should begin the quest to source a good rifle. Based on your past performance it's going to take a bit so an early start is prudent.

I guess a dead coyote is quite something in the Ozarks.

What have you won?

Its more than Little Dick has killed with her Accuracy International. She says ownership is competence all the time.

I've already posted things I've won, more than once. I'm glad to see you two girls kissed and made up.

It's a love hate relationship, happens a lot with families.

QWK
I'm lying and will continue too. lol sarcasm is over you ability to cypher no doubt.

Sorry to interrupt, but is the new "Scopes" thread? lol

Ok, Post a pic of your baby nxs then.

Congrats dummy you win! I'm gonna run right into my gun safe and send you some pics. LOL.

John and stick can move over qwk is on the rise. LOL

Love and kisses, KSmithinhizer/[email protected].

You excel at twisting facts into falsehoods. Especially when you stand to make a dollar as a result. The data on Leupold customers that contact retailers, specifically Doug in this case, for service support includes all Leupold scope purchases, not just the not-even-available-yet MK4. Your (lack of) logic is shocking, sometimes.

Leupold does not dominate the PRS/NRL market. In your vaunted chart, notice that other brands are broken down into various models, where Leup has just the MK5. When you look at brands, not just models, Vortex is right up there, as well.

Your suggestion that I'm the first guy with Leupold issues solidly cements the fact that you're the one with LDS, not me. In fact, I mentioned that the data for other brands are convoluted as well, not just Leup. You are blinded to the whole story by your compromised motives and lust for relevance and success. I have no ulterior motive nor bias, but simply make observations based on my experiences. You, on the other hand...

I can call out LiL Fish's lies and yours with ease.

Toxic posters who hide but want to be part of a mob are just as bad as pathological liars.

I am good at multi tasking.


Yes.

Cameraland has them on the site but the scopes are not out just yet.

We figured to do a bit of house cleaning and tidy up around here while we wait.

Posting under name is Duly Noted.

Yet you can't point out a single lie. You and Lil enjoy your time together. I'm really glad you guys got back together. No, you're not good at anything except intoxicating yourself and getting fat.

John the phone must be ringing off the hook at the shop!

Again it's a family issue shït genetics.

If we're being honest, there's a lot of binary thinking on both sides. Several of the Athlon Helos gen 2 2-12's, including a friend's, have had huge tracking issues, but most don't. My friend's was replaced ASAP, and my two both work.

The whole "MY" scope(s) ALL work and your scope(s) ALL don't is a joke.

But, this is 24HC, where everyone not putting chicom glass on a Vudoo is a broke dick idiot, so......

Don't worry STOLEN Valor fake SEAL KSMITH.

Friday afternoon and 20 below. -44 degs with the windchill.

Everybody is off for the weekend and hunkered down for this little cold snap.

Stick PMd me, and we ended up having a great chat. I asked him if he'd be willing to share pics of some of his trophies and awards. His humility won't let him show them off here and I respect that, but I am tired of him being unfairly maligned. Suck it boys.

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

I will agree with you there.

Evidently I'm broke despite showing me with my Accuracy International AX with S&B and suppressor. Only on the Fire.

Sweetie,

Your HomoErotic Tendencies consume you and just so you know,I keep your FAVORITE appendage of mine,on the portside. That precludes exploding clutches,clutch springs,broken chains,'tip rivets and pitch pockets. Hint.







Like you were there,as you Pretend aloud,you Prick Looking Phony Fhuqk! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

The bounds those with fragile egos will go to to protect it. 😂

Oh wow, I lost it. 😂

Jordan has LDS issues and I have had to post up the messages where he wanted me to give him a job so we have a history.

I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.

My sample size is pretty large and Mk-6s have always been a problem child due to meeting the SOCOM size requirement.

How many scope models does/has Leupold offered, and what target market are they aimed at? When looking at distribution channels like big-box stores, what do the display cases look like and what scopes are the counter staff showing to customers most often? How many Leupold scopes are out in the wild, and what type of user typically owns them? You don't need the entirety of data to have some notion of the situation. Vortex is similar. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Vortex sells a whole lot more Diamondbacks and Vipers than Razor AMGs.

Paula,

Imaginary Pretend Ignore has lost it's "power"...the "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Don't ask her about her ChiCom Avatar,she'll change it. Hint.



Professional "Victims" to the front of the line. Hint.



How many times a day do you "think" about me and what are the durations?!? HINT.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...........

Doug sells a variety of Leupolds and he has zero customer complaints.

Yet you LDS sufferers see more failures than possible.

You see what your bias shows you.

Do you ever wonder why guys who gets Leupolds to work, hold zero, and track like AESA radar never bad mouth other optics?

Lemme guess, twig lashed out at me with a post that amounts to:

Buying those rigs would be a fun way to go broke.

Doug didn't say he has had zero customer complaints.

Reupold is sooooooooo fhuqking HILARIOUSLY inept,that their never fhuqking ending Repair Facility,must make up "parts" that don't even exist. Hint.

I reckon my MK4 FFP TMR Spotter's "erector" was fine. Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!...........

How many?

1?

5?

How about ZERO?

He has to spin, it’s all he’s got.

LMAO........on another note, I bet Doug at CL is thrilled to death having Burns as his new pitch man.

Was thinking the same thing.

Imagine waking up and Brother Burns is head of marketing for your company

"Fugk you, I'm a wizard" LOL

John, as you well know, these are very serious conversations here. While it might seem like a nitpick on my part, there is a difference between "zero customer complaints" and "I cannot recall the last one that I got contacted about with an issue." I'd like to think that you'd show a little more gratitude for my trying to help you retain the good standing and stellar reputation you have built here over the years.

Why didn’t you buy them from a reputable retailer and get a refund?

Dear LiL Fish,

I am pretty sure someone nicer than me has already explained to you that there is an erector in your scope and that's where Leupold hides the reticle.

The image has to be flipped in all scopes, binos, spotting scopes. That's what an erector does, but it is also the moving part in rifle scopes.

Glad to be helpful in this time of need. The lying thing is bad so no reason to stack on being stupid.

It’s not about winning. You are obviously a lyin bytch sock puppet.

Because I buy directly from Leupold.

I didn't want a refund so I chose to have the optics fixed.

You really are having a STRUGGLE Fit.

This is scope designed for low power high fov quick shooting. The ffp is going to suck at 2.5x. And a 10x isn’t really enough power for over 300 where you even need reticle ticks. Verdict = fail

Thanks ,Brother Cowboy

Been playing with an F-T/R rifle and Berger 200.20X lately. That’s turning out to be a fun proposition.

Looks as though it comes in both FFP and SFP.

Flipside being,rugged reliability. Hint.







My Reupold MK5 almost could handle 22LR recoil,until the elevation turret was moved. ALMOST. Hint.






Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Please explain in detail how a feature you don't like but many others want is a fail?

If you had even briefly looked at the MK 4 HD product line you would have seen there is a 2.5-10 with SFP reticle.

I prefer 2ndFP but others don't. To be fair I don't have any interest in any of the announced MK 4HD offerings but Leupold is damn sure going to sell a shit load to shooters who like FFP at those prices.

I’m not struggling at all.

Retailer sales me an optic that arrives in good shape, they have fulfilled their obligation.

If optic has problems after use, I contact the company that provided the warranty.

If I have an issue getting a satisfactory response, I contact the retailer to see if they can help or have a contact that can rectify the issue.

Pretty simple really.

So I take it that you won't be dusting off the C clamps for the 2.5-10 FFP Mk4?

I see you didn't bother to give the FFP TMR a serious look before posting.

It's designed such that the heavy outer lines on the crosswire and verticle under center will extend to near center on 2.5X. It's a very well designed FFP, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually faster to get on close targets with it than many SFP designs that have windage and holdover components.

Nobody is struggling with how a repair works.

You and JiggloRider are STRUGGLING with a Refund vs Repair for a defective scope. The manufacturer is not going to refund you.

LiL Fish claimed her Leupold was defective out of the box. She should get a refund as she claims Leupold can't make a functional scope. Leupold can't repair her shooting or rifles.

She is not a good candidate for a repair because her MK 5 works. She STRUGGLES.

Instead of getting a refund or selling the MK 5 she is attempting to order more Leupold products.

If you are still confused please enter "refund vs repair" in your favorite search engine (Duck Duck Go).

Why would someone want to drop a G on a leupold scope that they absolutely hate and trash every opportunity they get?
Asking for a friend

That's a question for which you won't get an answer. It is a valid question.

Mentally unstable people do odd things.

I’m so certain that the scope Larry tested also wouldn’t pass Form’s test, I’d bet $10k on it. Any takers?

You'd have to be a freaking moron to take stock in Form's drop tests, if that's what you mean. His tracking/return to zero test may be interesting. Buy it from Stick and send it to him. Wonder why Form left this board?

You kiss his azzzz on Rokslide, but badmouth him here? Fuggin backstabbin loser. He probably left because of dumphuqs like you.

I give him a huge ration of schitttt on RS over this subject, and his supposed killing of "thousands,plural" of game animals. Learn how to use the search function....it's easy to find. You'll also find his little posse of assskissers over there who won't wipe their asss without asking him first.

You kiss his azzzz there. Obvious. Not surprised though, as it takes a puzzzy like you to high Fence hunt.

Formidilosus is full of himself. Not impressed with him at all

You're either retarded, or a liar, or both.

You sure care a lot.

Why would someone vote for a gun grabbing democrat just because it made you “feel” good?
Asking for a friend….

Anyone voted for Obama shouldn’t be putting their opinion out there since their reasoning is obviously flawed.

The mini NF fell from a chopper and worked well after but I read that as well.
lol 10k for a guy you blow to drop a perfectly good scope on the ground. I have a sledgehammer test that I will put money on. You pathetic fool.

In 2008 I wrote in Ted Nugent. Rumor is he got more votes than Biden in 2020.

I don’t blow anyone. I will put my money where my mouth is. Not many in this thread will follow suit. Hint

Nice bullchit story about the nxs though. 😂.

You post a picture of 10 large with your screen name and I will photoshop a NXS in a picture for you. LOL

You care way too much.

Truth hurts? 😂 Fuggin backstabbin bytch.

Photoshop and mom’s basement is all you got?

You are a no Name Internet Rando trying to look tough.

You're to afraid to put up your name much less 10 bucks.

GTFO Rando.

How about I find the guy that drives a flatbed pickup with a mule pic on the side? Will he be as tough in person?

.[/quote]I don’t blow anyone. I will put my money where my mouth is. Not many in this thread will follow suit. Hint
😂.[/quote]

Not what I heard. Seems your money is wrapped around dicks more than in pockets. LOL

Not what I heard. Seems your money is wrapped around dicks more than in pockets. LOL[/quote]
Nice grade school comeback. Pathetic.

He left this board because he wasn't being worshiped by everyone, and some had the audacity to challenge him. I think his drop tests do speak to how rugged a scope is, but I don't they are the end-all-be-all. I don't know what to make of them losing zero riding on the seat of his truck. I am skeptical of that.

SQW qwk
If you publicly need to post that you don't blow anyone when someone calls you a knob gobbler. I kinda feel bad bringing up such a sore subject.

Every scope I have run through this test has failed.

Only bytches use sock accounts. How’s that imaginary nxs workin? 😆

Nice grade school comeback. Pathetic.[/quote]


My mom said I'm so cool she might buy me air soft BBs for this weekend. LOL.

Spitting will get the taste out.

PS you hide your name just like me and I'm not a sock just a guy with free rent.

LMAO....!

You’ve obviously never seen my driving

JFC, you have no idea what you may have just started….

Oh geebus, this thread growin legs & building steam.

Might take a few days to catch the scopes thread, but it's already showning potential.

you of all people know ffp is a fail for that scope. Will people buy it. Yeah. But most people don’t shoot much or only at a gun range. You know this.

I am amazed you know so many people LOL

Damn , I love how keep following me. But I told you I’m not interested.
Tell us more how you like your gag reflex checked by stumpy.
You two are a perfect match. Broke back jack mountain big stick

Looking at the reticle, it looks like it will show up better than some on low power with FFP. I've killed [bleep] really close on low power with FFP. Not rocket science.

How’d that vote work out for you?

No it isn't. But alot more folks do way more typing than hunting/shooting.

Killed a few deer last season with a SS3-9x on 5x and never wanted for anything else, but I do prefer illuminated on a FFP reticle when in low power in thick woods.

A few years ago I glassed this buck and a doe move down a narrow peninsula onto some timber on the end of it. I jumped off on the raft and paddled in while by buddy waited into the boat. I snuck a few hundred yards down the beach and got into position. The doe spotted me and went flying back to the mainland on that narrow strip of land. The buck was right behind. I took the shot with my ss 3-9 on 3 power. Did just fine on the running shot. Dang that was fun.

Timber is my thing, have done ok without illuminated but it’s nice to hit the illumination and get that nice Christmas tree triangle at low power. Usually I just kill the buck and forget to hit the illumination.

15 yds if I remember correctly , no illumination, heavy timber 4x ffp.

I have killed shit really close with iron sights on a revolver, that does not mean a proper 2ndFP scope won't work better.

1stFP is a compromise at low power. Sure it can work but it's still a compromise.

Leupold is smart enough to offer both reticle placements in the 2.5-10 and the 2ndFP is a better choice but the FFP is hardly a fail.

Good Sitka. They are on my shortlist.

1st is good for young eyes. Not me.

2nd is best for old eyes. Me/

I hunted most of this year with a 2nd FP as I stole my daughter's rifle for most of my deer hunting. Didn't slow me down any.

Exactly.

So, you went from boat to raft, and paddled to shore?

Did you have to bring the deer back on the raft, or was there a place for the boat to pull up?

It's epic either way, but paddling back with a deer on your raft would be awesome.

Same here but usually because I left it on the previous time and killed the battery like a dumbazz.

Pulled it to the boat with the rope ?

Probably the smartest move they made offering both FFP and SFP in the same models, with matching turrets. Trijicons shortfall in my opinion. No idea why they would offer the lower powered/smaller obj. 2-10x36 with FFP only and the 2.5-15x42 in SFP only.
My older mark 4 2.5-8 tracks well but cursed with a Mil reticle and MOA adjustments which is completely retarded.

Beautiful..

Taken at about the same time (last century)

Welcome to my life. Love to shoot long range for a while now. But used to sfp for the first 40 & wondering if I should embrace FFP & switch over. Have a couple ffp & tried them, nah,,, not with my eyes, especially on lower power. If everything is turned wide open, as I do past a few hundred, what does it mater, the dope or the reticle works fine.

Or, I've been totally missing it for a few years now.

Yeah, that a decent Blacktail in a nice setting.

Calvins much smaller and cuter than one would think based only on his posts.

My eyes will only allow 2nd focal plane. 1st ffp reticle is too small until it is almost at max power.

Laffin’, you catch a lot of sh it, but I’d drink a beer with you.

Brother Paul is unique for sure.

I didn't cut my first 10'+ DBH tree,until I was 17. Hint.



Plum flattering,how many think about me 24/7 and how/why they are Brokedicks. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Thanks, Brother Stick. I had my first W2 at 15.

I'd grab a 6 pack.. Only the cheap stuff though

Neither of you better be wearing spandex though.

The only flaw with Form's test is the sample size. Statistically speaking.

Deal..

I just a po boy....

Get a room girls!

Buying them would suck, setting them up on a big rabbit warren on an overcast day would be buckets of fun.

Goalie bout to blow a gasket……

10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1, BOOM!

Stick a skinny little biitch in this picture

Weren't we all at 18.

The word around the wood cutting industry is that LiL Fish was quite popular at Lumberjack camp.

I heard the term "Checking the throating, rock on" came from those days but who really knows.

I'd agree, but I think his mindset is that any one optic off the assembly line should perform so if a single unit fails his test, then that speaks for the QC of the whole model. There should be virtually zero outliers when you are spending quality money on optics. But that's not reality. There are single unit flaws in production. I'd like to see 3 or 4 units of each model tested.

Yeah, I'm not willing to buy 4 scopes to send him either, I get that too.

I also take his test with a grain of salt overall. The drops are excessive and not the typical wear and tear I expect my gear to see. In other words, if my rife and scope took even a single direct fall onto a hard surface, I'd want to fire a test shot to confirm zero regardless of whether or not it has passed the 'test'. I am obligated to making an ethical shot on game. For those that are hunting extreme conditions, I'd pay closer attention to his findings.

Yes...all prick and ribs.

IMO when 99% of everything you test, "fails", there's a problem with the test.

Didn't look like this. Surprised for a lumberjack. Must be an apprentice here. Very frail looking stick

Agreed, but if he has a good test, he needs to verify.

I took one heck of spill in Africa. The rifle/scope landed on a rock. I would not even think of shooting an animal until I checked it. Ranged a rock at 110 yards, shot off the hood and splattered the rock. Will not even mention the scope. It has been on dozens of rifles. Used to use it for load development. Now I just use a SWFA 10x for that.

No






But I also wore "medium-tall" cammies not kid sized Garanimals like the little fella 😉

I don’t know man. When you write elk hunting stories about falling off snow cliffs to kill a rag horn. Expect people to believe the story and think backpack elk hunting is something extraordinary. Admit you are a rookie elk hunter, then a few years later you are the end all know all…maybe those drops aren’t excessive.

I remember that. If there ever was an exhibition of extreme ego that was it.

Badass Pictures Brother Goalie. Oooh Rah!

He went full Rambo on Montana elk..... it was epic............................... bullschit