They’ve already won by the standard Ukraine itself set. Russia is never giving any of that land back, much less Crimea. At some point, everyone loses interest and Ukraine finishes up collapsing. Russia takes what it wants elsewhere as well.
In the end you’ll have Russia to the Dnieper. A small Ukrainian rump state. And Poland takes most of the west. That’s the inevitable end to this and always has been.
Yet you predicted Puty Boi would take the "whole country".
Originally Posted by JoeBob June 2022
I think Putin may decide that he wants to take the whole country now.
Those whom lack an understanding of world events are always wrong but never in doubt.
I didn’t predict any such thing. I suggest you look up the word “may” and get back to me. You are an annoying and obnoxious drunk.
The short of it is that the war comes down to Russia’s resolve to stay in Ukraine Vs. Our government’s resolve to keep funding Ukraine. Once our 100’s of billions in money and weapons get cutoff Ukraine is done.
Actually, I think it will come down to Ukraine's ability to keep putting soldiers in the field. That will end before Russia or the US govt loses their resolve.
They’ve already won by the standard Ukraine itself set. Russia is never giving any of that land back, much less Crimea. At some point, everyone loses interest and Ukraine finishes up collapsing. Russia takes what it wants elsewhere as well.
In the end you’ll have Russia to the Dnieper. A small Ukrainian rump state. And Poland takes most of the west. That’s the inevitable end to this and always has been.
Yet you predicted Puty Boi would take the "whole country".
Originally Posted by JoeBob June 2022
I think Putin may decide that he wants to take the whole country now.
Those whom lack an understanding of world events are always wrong but never in doubt.
I didn’t predict any such thing. I suggest you look up the word “may” and get back to me. You are an annoying and obnoxious drunk.
Burns has seldom displayed a firm grasp of the English language.
The short of it is that the war comes down to Russia’s resolve to stay in Ukraine Vs. Our government’s resolve to keep funding Ukraine. Once our 100’s of billions in money and weapons get cutoff Ukraine is done.
Actually, I think it will come down to Ukraine's ability to keep putting soldiers in the field. That will end before Russia or the US govt loses their resolve.
You could very well be right.
Russia is too invested and entrenched to think that they’re just going to retreat back to Russia with nothing to show for it.
When the war will end comes down to when US political will turns against sending Ukraine more money or Zelenskyy runs out of lives to sacrifice.
Russia was never going to retreat or accept defeat. They view Ukraine in NATO as an existential threat. They will win or the entire country will be destroyed. And before they are destroyed, they will launch nukes.
Russia has escalation dominance. From day one, they have always been willing to take this places we aren’t and can’t. This was simply some hair brained scheme to try and get Russians to suffer and remove Putin. Well, they aren’t suffering economically and Putin is more popular than ever. So, it ain’t happening.
This mess was preventable and even after launched it could've been over quickly but we pushed on commanding Ukraine to fight. We've destroyed the country and scattered or killed the majority of it's population all for nothing but pandering to the egos of the political class in Washington. Putin has been slow and deliberate in this. He could've marched through Ukraine long before now but has waited I think hoping we would come to our senses and give it up. We haven't. Europe has suffered and our credibility and foreign policy is shot. It's over except for the formal surrender which will come after the last gasp of Zelenskyy.
The war officially ended in October 7 when the US and Israel allowed Hamas to invade Israel unimpeded for 8 hours and the U.S. began their war on Iran transferring resources to the mid east debacle again
As soon as the US fled Afghanistan in defeat it was obvious they pivoted to Russia. Hundreds of billions of tax payers money laundered and disappeared. Mission and grift accomplished. The grift is over and running out of corpses
Endless wars, dead American men , dumb distracted Americans, failing economies, record inflation and deficits and big profits for the MIC
The short of it is that the war comes down to Russia’s resolve to stay in Ukraine Vs. Our government’s resolve to keep funding Ukraine. Once our 100’s of billions in money and weapons get cutoff Ukraine is done.
Actually, I think it will come down to Ukraine's ability to keep putting soldiers in the field. That will end before Russia or the US govt loses their resolve.
This.
It's obvious as the nose on your face. Yet, It's treated like the elephant in the room.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
Russia was never going to retreat or accept defeat.
This will depend a lot on Russian public opinion. Right now, Putin is doing an effective job at suppressing anyone with an opposing view.
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They view Ukraine in NATO as an existential threat. They will win or the entire country will be destroyed.
Many Russians have an innate fear of the West.
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And before they are destroyed, they will launch nukes.
Putin's long-standing threat and the foolish notion that the West wants to "destroy them".
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Russia has escalation dominance. From day one, they have always been willing to take this places we aren’t and can’t.
Russia's military is weaker than what was thought. Establishing air supremacy should have been job #1 for Putin. It's been how many months/years and Russia still can't do it.
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This was simply some hair brained scheme to try and get Russians to suffer and remove Putin.
Pretty good scheme, they even made it look like Putin launched the attack.
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Well, they aren’t suffering economically and Putin is more popular than ever. So, it ain’t happening.
Ruble has lost 40% of its value and Putin is more popular than ever ? Russian politics works in mysterious ways.
How many body bags can the Russian public accept before the whispers become louder and Putin can't arrest them all? I don't think that the Ukrainians will quit.
You all seem to forget that after spending 10 years in Afghanistan, russia spent nearly a year making a complete and unconditional withdrawal in '89... brought on by their inability to make any gains and having a failing economy. Both of which will happen again with Ukraine.
There’s some evidence of an S-300-Patriot team-up. A Russian air force Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bomber reportedly detected a previously unknown Ukrainian S-300 battery switching on its radar in the minutes before the A-50 and Il-22 were hit.
If the S-300 battery did the initial illumination, it must have passes along target tracks to a nearby hidden Patriot battery. “The latter powered up its radar for only a few seconds: long enough to obtain its own targeting data, but too short for the Russians to dependably detect its emissions and assess them as a threat,” Cooper surmised.
“And then the Ukrainians started firing their missiles.”
A minute later, the missiles exploded—destroying the A-50 and damaging the Il-22. “With their fire-action over,” Cooper wrote, “the Ukrainian S-300 and PAC-2/3 crews promptly ceased emitting, and started packing [up] their systems to move them away and thus avoid any possible Russian retaliation.”
Down one A-50, the Russian air force may have just two of the jets left; the other six A-50s reportedly are in need of upgrade and overhaul. Unless the air force is willing to risk the last two flyable A-50s, it must make peace with its new inability to provide radar coverage over all of Crimea.
It must, in other words, accept the risk of continuing—indeed, escalating—Ukrainian missile raids on Russian forces on the peninsula.
John Burns
I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.
The BBC has been unable to verify the attack On the planes.
Nobody has been able to verify the attack on the planes.
However, it has been verified that the earlier story about cuckraine shootin down 3 Russian fighter jets, which tater head claimed was true, was complete bullshit.
cuckraine puts out this crap ta deflect attention from cuckraine defeats.
Meanwhile, Ukrainian citizens are shootin cuckraine military conscriptors comin ta arrest em into the army.
It won't be long until Zelenskyy is just a bad memory. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up like Mussolini hanging from a tree branch. It's liable to be his own soldiers that do the honors.
There’s some evidence of an S-300-Patriot team-up. A Russian air force Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bomber reportedly detected a previously unknown Ukrainian S-300 battery switching on its radar in the minutes before the A-50 and Il-22 were hit.
If the S-300 battery did the initial illumination, it must have passes along target tracks to a nearby hidden Patriot battery. “The latter powered up its radar for only a few seconds: long enough to obtain its own targeting data, but too short for the Russians to dependably detect its emissions and assess them as a threat,” Cooper surmised.
“And then the Ukrainians started firing their missiles.”
A minute later, the missiles exploded—destroying the A-50 and damaging the Il-22. “With their fire-action over,” Cooper wrote, “the Ukrainian S-300 and PAC-2/3 crews promptly ceased emitting, and started packing [up] their systems to move them away and thus avoid any possible Russian retaliation.”
Down one A-50, the Russian air force may have just two of the jets left; the other six A-50s reportedly are in need of upgrade and overhaul. Unless the air force is willing to risk the last two flyable A-50s, it must make peace with its new inability to provide radar coverage over all of Crimea.
It must, in other words, accept the risk of continuing—indeed, escalating—Ukrainian missile raids on Russian forces on the peninsula.
you have an 8th grade education and live in white trash south trailer park and can't even find Ukraine or Russia on a map , joined a union because as you are too lazy and stupid to make your way through life sad
Originally Posted by Direct_Drive
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Russia was never going to retreat or accept defeat.
This will depend a lot on Russian public opinion. Right now, Putin is doing an effective job at suppressing anyone with an opposing view.
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They view Ukraine in NATO as an existential threat. They will win or the entire country will be destroyed.
Many Russians have an innate fear of the West.
Quote
And before they are destroyed, they will launch nukes.
Putin's long-standing threat and the foolish notion that the West wants to "destroy them".
Quote
Russia has escalation dominance. From day one, they have always been willing to take this places we aren’t and can’t.
Russia's military is weaker than what was thought. Establishing air supremacy should have been job #1 for Putin. It's been how many months/years and Russia still can't do it.
Quote
This was simply some hair brained scheme to try and get Russians to suffer and remove Putin.
Pretty good scheme, they even made it look like Putin launched the attack.
Quote
Well, they aren’t suffering economically and Putin is more popular than ever. So, it ain’t happening.
Ruble has lost 40% of its value and Putin is more popular than ever ? Russian politics works in mysterious ways.
How many body bags can the Russian public accept before the whispers become louder and Putin can't arrest them all? I don't think that the Ukrainians will quit.
You all seem to forget that after spending 10 years in Afghanistan, russia spent nearly a year making a complete and unconditional withdrawal in '89... brought on by their inability to make any gains and having a failing economy. Both of which will happen again with Ukraine.
Phil
Pretty stupid, huh?
Oh, I forgot, the Military you want to take Putin out was in Afghanistan 20 years and under your heroes paid the rag heads $87 Billion in order to get out without massive losses in servicemen.
Now you and the traitor crew in DC want us in war with Russia. Why? So we can lose and keep Trump from returning to the White House to Drain the Swamp and to keep him from being able to Make America Great Again.
Keep believing.
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
Riley Bailey, Nicole Wolkov, Grace Mappes, Christina Harward, Angelica Evans, George Barros, and Frederick W. Kagan
January 17, 2024
####Ukraine successfully employed a Ukrainian-refurbished hybrid air defense system (FrankenSAM) for the first time.
i have been waiting for this, FrankenSAM.
A Ukrainian intelligence official reported that Russian forces lack the necessary operational reserves to conduct simultaneous offensive efforts in more than one direction in Ukraine. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairperson Dmitry Medvedev reiterated on January 17 that the elimination of Ukrainian statehood and independence remains one of Russia’s core war aims. Germany and France announced additional military assistance to Ukraine on January 16. The Russian ultranationalist community will likely concretize xenophobia and insecurities about Russia’s ethnic composition as key shared principles within the community in 2024, as Russian ultranationalists continue to seize on incidents involving migrants and non-ethnic Russian groups to call for anti-migrant policies and express growing hostility towards non-ethnic Russians in Russia. The Kremlin’s ongoing attempt to court the Russian ultranationalist community will likely generate increasing friction between the Kremlin’s desired rhetoric and policies concerning migration and interethnic relations and those of Russian ultranationalists. Significant protests erupted in Baymak, Bashkortostan Republic, following a Russian court’s guilty verdict for a prominent Bashkort activist, prompting a swift Russian government response as well as backlash from the Russian ultranationalist community. Widespread Russian milblogger complaints about an Uzbek community leader in Russia prompted the Russian Investigative Committee to open a criminal investigation, suggesting that the Russian government may feel increasing pressure to respond to milblogger demands as the ultranationalist information space coalesces around xenophobic and anti-migrant ideals. The Russian military command continues to convict Russian officers in cases associated with Ukrainian strikes as part of a likely effort to improve discipline across the Russian military. The Kremlin continues efforts to expand Russia’s influence in Africa through the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and the MoD-controlled Africa Corps. The threat of US secondary sanctions is reportedly having a large-scale effect on Turkish-Russian financial ties. Positional engagements continued along the entire line of contact on January 17. Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence (GUR) Representative Andriy Yusov confirmed that Russian authorities are increasing the size of the Rosgvardia contingent in occupied Ukraine to strengthen occupational control.
"Russia sucks." ---- Me, US Army (retired) 12B & 51B
Russian Admiral said, after the Moskva sank, "we have the world's worst navy but we aren't as bad as our army".
Christina Harward, Karolina Hird, Riley Bailey, Grace Mappes, Angelica Evans, George Barros, and Frederick W. Kagan
January 18, 2024
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reiterated that Russia’s maximalist objectives in Ukraine remain unchanged and that Russia is not interested in negotiations with Ukraine or the West. The battlespace in Ukraine continues to be the center of the technological offense-defense race between Russian and Ukrainian forces. Recent widespread GPS disruptions across Poland and the Baltic region are prompting speculation about the potential operation of Russian electronic warfare (EW) systems in the region. The French Ministry of Defense (MoD) announced on January 18 that it launched an “artillery coalition” to strengthen support for Ukraine amid continued Ukrainian statements that Russian forces in Ukraine have superior artillery capabilities. Ukrainian partisans and satellite imagery confirmed that Ukrainian strikes against occupied Crimea in late December 2023 sank a Russian Tarantul-class corvette near Sevastopol. The Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reportedly conducted a successful drone strike on Russian military facilities in Leningrad Oblast on January 18. The European Union (EU) Parliament voted to endorse another step in a rule of law procedure that could eventually suspend Hungary’s voting rights after Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban vetoed an EU vote for further military assistance to Ukraine. Russia and the Central African Republic (CAR) are in negotiations regarding Russian military basing in CAR. Russian forces made confirmed advances near Bakhmut, Avdiivka, and the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area amid continued positional engagements along the front. Russian officials continue to target naturalized migrants as part of ongoing crypto-mobilization efforts. Russian occupation authorities continue efforts to restore logistics infrastructure in occupied Ukraine.
"Russia sucks." ---- Me, US Army (retired) 12B & 51B
Russian Admiral said, after the Moskva sank, "we have the world's worst navy but we aren't as bad as our army".
