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As one of those prick managers (major oil) I always felt that if an employee can quit on a whim I can toss him/her on a whim. It worked well in my last 10 years abroad.
Conduct is the best proof of character.
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Been slow for us, they could have easily cut several from all three shifts last month, they didn't.
We have 2 types of reduction in force. Furloughs and layoffs.
Furloughs are for one week, up to two weeks. Voluntary starting with top seniority, bottom guys go if no one volunteers. Done by the job that's overstuffed.
Layoffs are from the bottom up, however many need cut. Then the ones left move around to fill open jobs based on previous job held, seniority, and job code held. It's an ugly process, one we hopefully avoid. For many reasons.
The union does protect me from cuts. Due to decades of service. (Top 6th, if they cut to me they can't run the place) Paid my dues on that though, lost 3 years over a 9 year span starting out.
Doesn't matter much that I'm secure, being unemployed sucks. I hate to see it as much for others an I hated it for myself. I had an easy backup, most dont.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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Sorry to hear of this. I hope a window opens for you soon.
This thread is a bit interesting. I have been polling my customers about their thoughts on our local economy as we get into 2024. The opinions are all over the place. So far, we have started the year pretty slow. It has only been a couple weeks, and weather has certainly been a factor. This being an election year could make things interesting.
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Electricians are always in short supply here in the Flathead. Problem is "affordable" housing if you don't already own property.
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” ― G. Orwell
"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?" _Eileen Clarke
"Unjust authority confers no obligation of obedience." - Alexander Hamilton
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Bidenomics..... hey Miller did you vote for Biden or Tester?
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Always sad to hear of layoffs, I put in 45 years with one company and retired early, not many jobs like that today.
Hopefully things will take a better turn now for the OP.
"The 375HH is the greatest level of power you can get for the investment in recoil." (JJHack) 79s and losttrail, biggest waste of air.
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Sorry for anyone that gets let go in a Reduction in Force. I hate this time of year because our company always has layoffs in January. They just let go of 150 people yesterday. Pretty big layoff this time around..It's usually about 40 to 50 people....
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RMiller - so sorry to hear of your situation. I can't say BTDT, because I haven't/didn't.
Right out of college I went 5 months before finding a paid internship that was to last 3 months. I was at my first 'real' full time job for 5 years, left that for another job and stayed there for 5 years. Next job I stayed at for 17 years and my bride was transferred 3 states away. I stayed home for 3 months and unpacked everything we had. Found another job and was there for 3 years. Had a chance to go out on my own and stayed with that for another 12 1/2 years. Except for the 3 months I stayed home (by choice), the longest I was not employed was a weekend. I was very fortunate to be in the right place at the right time for almost 43 years, then I retired 6 years ago.
With your trade and skills, you won't be without a job for very long.
Someday I hope to be the person my dogs think I am . . . The only true cost of having a dog is its death. Someone once said "a nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." Shiloh Sharps . . . there is no substitute. NRA Endowment Member
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Economy is terrible right now. Inflation is terrible right now.
(Stolen) elections have consequences.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
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Economy is terrible right now. Inflation is terrible right now.
(Stolen) elections have consequences. Come on, biden says the economy is better than it's ever been. ha ha..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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My uncle got laid off recently. He was of the same mindset. Hard worker, and a good man. His company is top-heavy with management/admin people that were added after the first buyout. They'll learn, and I hope that he will be hired back when they learn that talent and that institutional knowledge is priceless.
I wish you all the best sir. Unfortunately that’s not the way it works. They probably hired two more office employees when they laid him off. . During her career, my wife worked 60-80 h/w on average. Every time she moved on they hired 2 or 3 people to replace her. Less competent, better brown nosers. And they only "worked" to contract hours.
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The only true cost of having a dog is its death.
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Economy is terrible right now. Inflation is terrible right now.
(Stolen) elections have consequences. Truth. But, here's a pick me up. I never lost a job that I didn't get something better.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH
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That sucks but I thought your union was supposed to protect you from that. That is supposed to be why you pay dues right? Your dues went straight to Biden and your union masters showed they don't give a damn about you. . Bullschitt. It does not work that way in construction. If I have a guy that is not cutting it, he gets a lay-off check. Period. Not only is it a bad deal for the company, it's not fair to the other guys that pull their weight. Dead wood gets cut. OP, if your area is slow, think about doing some out of town work. I did it for several years and it sucks at first but I got used to it.
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Sorry to hear this, was lucky, had three jobs in 52 years of working, quit all 3. An old pipefitter told me. When you quit, get fired, get laid off, as you go out the door, wave goodbye and say “ Adios all you mutherfuuuckers”. I did that every time I left.
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Bidenomics..... hey Miller did you vote for Biden or Tester? I think it is Biden and Tester that can be credited with the missile upgrade project. But no I have not voted for those candidates. Maybe Tester when he ran against Rosendale. I often vote for independents.
It isn't energy that kills, its holes.
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That sucks but I thought your union was supposed to protect you from that. That is supposed to be why you pay dues right? Your dues went straight to Biden and your union masters showed they don't give a damn about you. . Bullschitt. It does not work that way in construction. If I have a guy that is not cutting it, he gets a lay-off check. Period. Not only is it a bad deal for the company, it's not fair to the other guys that pull their weight. Dead wood gets cut. OP, if your area is slow, think about doing some out of town work. I did it for several years and it sucks at first but I got used to it. my old man traveled the country for construction, wherever there was work that's where he went . Later in life he just said screw it, I'll work when there is work around here, and I won't when it runs out. what I learned about that is , its feast or famine. One week you have hot dogs for dinner every night, the next week the old man is buying a new air conditioner. It was highly motivational for me.
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have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
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Back in the day with my line of work if you got laid off you just go down the road a bit and another place will hire you when you pass the tests. Often for a little bit better paycheck. Relax, take a couple weeks off, start a new job, no big deal. Not that way anymore though. Lucky to have 13 years in at my current gig and 8 more to go to retire. Far enough up the list now I won't get laid off unless some major catastrophe happens.
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
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Bidenomics..... hey Miller did you vote for Biden or Tester? while biden is a pos, cheap money for to long has a lot to do with inflation and the slow down we are seeing now. I don't know of any elected politician that can keep things at just a steady growth, its always boom and then bust. perception is reality, if trump gets in things will probably start looking up. positive thinking and attitude goes along way with people feeling confident......bob
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Enjoy your time off. The next job will start soon.
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My uncle got laid off recently. He was of the same mindset. Hard worker, and a good man. His company is top-heavy with management/admin people that were added after the first buyout. They'll learn, and I hope that he will be hired back when they learn that talent and that institutional knowledge is priceless.
I wish you all the best sir. Unfortunately that’s not the way it works. They probably hired two more office employees when they laid him off. To the OP, you need to look at Williston ND or West Texas. For long term employment I'd suggest the vast Houston/Gulf Coast area refining and petrochemical multiplexes.
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