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I like having the LRF in the scanner but when it comes to brass tacks, LRF in the scope is aces before and when sparks begin to fly.

I don't think y'all can say that in the optics forum.....

Let us know how you like your purchases. Thermal is on my radar this year

I was thinking just an 18 inch barreled 5.56 with 45 grain TSX bullets? I am not sure I understand the advantage of a slow twist.

I imagine he was simply saying that an accurate and flat trajectory is especially advantageous at night on coyote-sized targets. Hitting very close to POA at moderate ranges is more important than extreme long range ballistics and wind drift in that scenario.

Your ability to gauge yardage estimations go out the window in the dark......

Fast & flat is where it's at.

My DTI is .6" high at 100, dead on at 200, 5" low at 300, so I can stay on fur almost out to 300.

^^^I’m leery of moving away from 223 for the volume I sometimes shoot, but it’d be doable for a dedicated coyote rig. I like 77gr 223s for a lot of things, but give me 55gr V-Maxs at 5.56 specs for my night rig. I have to move between smaller fields a lot, so rarely taking shots past 250….though the optic resolution is very nice to have in case some neighboring farm’s dog is roaming through, instead of Wiley.

The 53 V-Max is a great bullet out of the 223. I ran them the first year in an 18" barrel at 3200.

With Shot show coming up, we may see some new thermals or lowered prices on existing products.

I think we're starting to see lots of competition of competent thermals with comparable features. I expect prices to start dropping on the 640 x 480 and the lower resolutions. This might also start pulling down the pricing of the higher units. I think the 640 x 480 units can suit all but the long range shooters needs.

So how’s the Wraith thermal?

I'm liking it. Even tho it's a cheapie, it'll be just what I need for occasional uses. Have both set up the same as far as on 'black hot' settings ( which I prefer after playing with all of them), and the wraith isn't much worse than the 640 scanner. Gives up a little as far as identifying critters, but I can use the scanner for that and transition to the wraith to shoot. I think 300 yards in the dark is doable on a coyote with the wraith. I'm hoping to get 'er mounted this week and go try to kill something as I'm getting bored just playing with them.

Starting speed/performance,isn't finish line speed/performance and a Thermal with LRF,tends to connect dots in non-lineal fashion. Pass the extry BC and hold all The Fluff. Hint.

Make mine a 22 PPC AFI Krunchenticker,mainly because it is. Hint.............

Hang some current pics and videos of your 400 plus yard thermal kills.....double hint....

Sweetheart,

Physics doesn't require ambient light. Pardon the reality of LRF,bursting all your bubbles,as known distance is never going to be second fiddle to a GUESS. Hint.

Though in "fairness",Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Hint...............

My thermal has LRF, I don't have to guess.

Hang some kill videos....hint....

Keep filling out Hurt Feeler Reports,to "vindicate" your Professional Victim status and don't forget to double down on your sense of Entitlement...as you Whine aloud. Hint.

Though in "fairness",Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Hint...............

Don't gimme that hurt feeler, imitation bullshit, hang some videos of your LR thermal kills.