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starting a search for a pup....wpg or gwp...hopefully in montana....but will travel....any suggestions on a kennel?.....bob

Bob, if you can be talked into a Draht, I have leads and recommendations. I don’t know what your timeframe is like but I am anticipating a breeding from these two at some point. A few things left to do for my female until she’s certified to breed. Feel free to pm.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...n-wirehair-pointer-pups-akc#Post17965825

Disclaimer: I have no familiarity with this member, nor do I know if he has litters on a regular basis. Just passing along a thread from a while ago as something to check.

Evnin, not now but can someone tell me the difference from GWP, WPG, & DRAUT please??? I've had one??? Great dog!!! Not sure what I had now. Thanks. GWP?GUY.?? 🐾👣🇨🇦

You might check out these articles off the Project Upland website to help answer your questions:
German Wirehaired Pointer: Dog Breed Information, Form, Function, History, and More
Wirehaired Pointing Griffon – Dog Breed Information, Form, Function, History, and More
The Difference Between a Deutsch-Drahthaar and a German Wirehaired Pointer

IMO, what really matters is the competence, knowledge and ethics of the breeder, and then how dedicated the new puppy owner is to following a quality training program.

Lots of good info in those articles. In a nutshell, genetically speaking the wirehair and the Drahthaar are the same dog. But breed standards separated them as two distinct breeds years ago. The WPG is, (along with the stichelhaar, kurzhaar and pudelpointer) one of the breeds that went into the development of the Drahthaar in the late 1800’s. When they finally developed what they were after, in order to maintain the genetics and characteristics, they developed a performance based testing system (JGHV) in order to regulate which dogs would be allowed to breed. Those tests are still utilized today. In the 50’s those with dogs that had been bred outside the JGHV/VDD petitioned to the AKC to have their dogs recognized as a separate breed. Thus the German Wirehaired Pointer.

I'm in Montana with an upcoming Draht litter, vom Verrückten Jäger. Awesome parents. Drahts are not for everyone, they are hard charging no [bleep] hunters that have a great on-off switch. Feel free to contact me for more info if you'd like.

vom Makoshika. Not in Montana but very close.

thanks for the replies everyone, really appreciate it. bob

that blk and white is a beauty....bob

MTD DD FAN, Thanks appreciate that. Have a good weekend!!! GWPGUY. 🐾👣🇨🇦👍🏻

Bob, that’s my male Hank aka Juren vom Heuerhaus. And he’s actually not black. He’s a VERY dark braunschummel.

I would be hesitant to recommend a DD to someone that doesn’t know what they are getting into. The drive and fur sharpness make for a challenging roommate.
If you have been around them and know how you are going to utilize those traits, then by all means.

You looking for a companion that hunts or a hunting dog you can live with?

And to answer your OP, try KSL.com classifieds.
Lots of dogs from mild to wild.

true......I have had 2 wpg and 1 DD......that was one determined dog. unfortunately she...I will only have females.....developed a front shoulder problem at around 6 mos.

when I started this post I knew the dd would come up.... my dogs are with me pretty much all the time....bob

Nicely put together dog, definitely easy on the eyes!

I am having aplanned breeding this spring some time,,, white male on the left and the dark dog on the right, is the female, the white dog on right is the dam, numerous litters on the ground from her

I've had 3 GSP, 4 WPG, two GWP, and 4 DD. When Joan (Griffon club Secretary and newsletter editor) and Ed Bailey (co-founder of NAVDA) were actively involved in the Griffon Club, there a few good dogs with decent coats, many that had soft coats and lots that didn't appear to have much desire for game or water contact. The Baileys efforts improved the breed, but the resulting genetic base of these superior dogs was too narrow to maintain. So, the Club decided to outcross with a very similar breed, the Ceskky Fousek. Some Club members, most of which couldn't recognize that their dogs weren't anywhere near as great as they thought they were, opposed this and created their own "purebred" Griffon club. Keep in mind that ALL the versatile breeds share many common ancestors which came from various breeds. This won't be popular with the Griffon purists, but I wouldn't have one of their dogs if it was gifted to me. My limited experience with the GWP was a mixed bag. The first one was outstanding. The second, from the same breeder but different sire and dam, was hit and miss when it came to duck hunting. Some days he refused to retrieve and others he didn't. We finally parted ways after he made a long retrieve of a duck and promptly shredded it. IMO, you stand a better chance with a DD because the sire and dam HAVE to meet minimum performance levels in tests in order to be approved for breeding. Not so with the GWP. Some DD can be very independent, and I recommend you visit the breeder to size up the dam and sire if he's available. If you haven't had hunting dogs before, take someone who has with you when evaluating the parents and breeder.