5200 square mile search area around Howland Island, her last known locale. No other plane like images reported? Not WWII battle areas. 16,000 ft down. Pretty exciting possibility. It was a top hatch plane. Never heard if they carried a life raft. It would have been difficult to deploy. So many theories, crackpot and otherwise. It would solve a big mystery. Now can you get excited? Sheesh.....
5200 square mile search area around Howland Island, her last known locale. No other plane like images reported? Not WWII battle areas. 16,000 ft down. Pretty exciting possibility. It was a top hatch plane. Never heard if they carried a life raft. It would have been difficult to deploy. So many theories, crackpot and otherwise. It would solve a big mystery. Now can you get excited? Sheesh.....
Watched an interview with the explorer and read a bunch of other articles on this over the weekend. It is pretty darn interesting and the technology used is first rate. It may well be; and yes, pretty cool if so.
Deep Sea Vision says that it believes Earhart and her navigator got off track because they forgot to take into account the International Date Line leading them to be off target and crash into the ocean.
Not exactly how that would cause a navigational error.
Considering the quality of their reasoning, I'm with Gone Huntin.
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
There's a LOT of planes on the ocean bottom in that part of the world from WW2. I'll believe it when it's positively ID'd up close.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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There's a LOT of planes on the ocean bottom in that part of the world from WW2. I'll believe it when it's positively ID'd up close.
This ^^
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She was shot down by Lee Harvey Oswald, who acted completely on his own. There are complete photos of the body and the autopsy, but they are sealed out of consideration for the family.
Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.
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Not only a less than minimally educated person, but stupid and out of touch as well.
Planes went down all over the Pacific, every day, during the war. Not all of them from combat damage - some ran out of fuel, some got lost, some had mechanical failures that made them ditch. I'll need more than a grainy image of a plane to believe that it's her plane.
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5200 square mile search area around Howland Island, her last known locale. No other plane like images reported? Not WWII battle areas. 16,000 ft down. Pretty exciting possibility. It was a top hatch plane. Never heard if they carried a life raft. It would have been difficult to deploy. So many theories, crackpot and otherwise. It would solve a big mystery. Now can you get excited? Sheesh.....
No major battles at Howland Island, but the Japanese did bomb it at least once with twin engine bombers.
Deep Sea Vision says that it believes Earhart and her navigator got off track because they forgot to take into account the International Date Line leading them to be off target and crash into the ocean.
Not exactly how that would cause a navigational error.
Considering the quality of their reasoning, I'm with Gone Huntin.
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
There's a LOT of planes on the ocean bottom in that part of the world from WW2. I'll believe it when it's positively ID'd up close.
Evidently, crossing the International Date Line, there, and forgetting to compensate for the day, would induce a navigational error of ~ 60 miles. I just read that, but IDK.
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5200 square mile search area around Howland Island, her last known locale. No other plane like images reported? Not WWII battle areas. 16,000 ft down. Pretty exciting possibility. It was a top hatch plane. Never heard if they carried a life raft. It would have been difficult to deploy. So many theories, crackpot and otherwise. It would solve a big mystery. Now can you get excited? Sheesh.....
You still didn't convince me, yawn.... Be cool if it was, then I will get excited LOL
I love mysteries . I hope they find the plane while I’m alive. The sea holds many secrets. I’m glad we have people that have the interest in researching history either land or sea. I met a girl about 15 years ago and she said she was related to Emilia’s boyfriend. I think his name was Putman or something like that. The girl gave me her name and I did the Geneolgy and she was right. Funny thing I found out she was releted to the Crayola Crayon original owner which I informed her when I later seen her. The bottom line, you either like history or you don’t!
Any credibility Geraldo had disappeared into Al Capone's vault years ago. Proved what a bufoon he was with that live show that turned out to be a big fat zero.
Her plane was strafed and set on fire and and then buried under Aslito airfield which is in Saipan, many WWii vets have come forward who were witness to it.
RUMs are like woman in Stiletto heals, you know they are going to put you in the poor house, but that has never stopped anyone from pursuing them.
Her plane was strafed and set on fire and and then buried under Aslito airfield which is in Saipan, many WWii vets have come forward who were witness to it.
She crashed on a remote atoll in the Marshall islands where she was captured by the Japanese and brought to Saipan, where she was held in the garapan prison. The Saipanese were under Japanese ocupation on Saipan, but knew what was going on and the ones that were interviewed said she died of disentary and Noonan was executed they were both buried on Saipan but ther bodies were moved several times. The plane was towed to Saipan on a barge the us forces found the plane in a hangar at Aslito field in flying condition, and the plane took one last flight around they island before meeting it's fate at they end of the runway. They order to distroy the plane came directly from FDR.
He knew that they had her but could not do anything about it without going to war with them, remember this was before pearl harbor and things were already tense. He had the plane and all evidence distroyed because if ever word got out that he left America's sweetheat to die in captivity his legacy would have never survived. It must have been hell in the Roosavelt household since Amelia and Ellenore were best friends.
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RUMs are like woman in Stiletto heals, you know they are going to put you in the poor house, but that has never stopped anyone from pursuing them.
5200 square mile search area around Howland Island, her last known locale. No other plane like images reported? Not WWII battle areas. 16,000 ft down. Pretty exciting possibility. It was a top hatch plane. Never heard if they carried a life raft. It would have been difficult to deploy. So many theories, crackpot and otherwise. It would solve a big mystery. Now can you get excited? Sheesh.....
We don’t have anything that can reach 16,000 feet do we?
Her plane was strafed and set on fire and and then buried under Aslito airfield which is in Saipan, many WWii vets have come forward who were witness to it.
So what happened to Amelia if that’s the case?
Rodney Dangerfield almost got head from her, So there’s that….
She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...? She's gone shootin..
5200 square mile search area around Howland Island, her last known locale. No other plane like images reported? Not WWII battle areas. 16,000 ft down. Pretty exciting possibility. It was a top hatch plane. Never heard if they carried a life raft. It would have been difficult to deploy. So many theories, crackpot and otherwise. It would solve a big mystery. Now can you get excited? Sheesh.....
We don’t have anything that can reach 16,000 feet do we?
We did. It self destructed while touring the Titanic!
He knew that they had her but could not do anything about it without going to war with them, remember this was before pearl harbor and things were already tense. He had the plane and all evidence distroyed because if ever word got out that he left America's sweetheat to die in captivity his legacy would have never survived. It must have been hell in the Roosavelt household since Amiela and Ellenore were best friends.
Great info. Thanks.
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5200 square mile search area around Howland Island, her last known locale. No other plane like images reported? Not WWII battle areas. 16,000 ft down. Pretty exciting possibility. It was a top hatch plane. Never heard if they carried a life raft. It would have been difficult to deploy. So many theories, crackpot and otherwise. It would solve a big mystery. Now can you get excited? Sheesh.....
We don’t have anything that can reach 16,000 feet do we?
He knew that they had her but could not do anything about it without going to war with them, remember this was before pearl harbor and things were already tense. He had the plane and all evidence distroyed because if ever word got out that he left America's sweetheat to die in captivity his legacy would have never survived. It must have been hell in the Roosavelt household since Amiela and Ellenore were best friends.
He knew that they had her but could not do anything about it without going to war with them, remember this was before pearl harbor and things were already tense. He had the plane and all evidence distroyed because if ever word got out that he left America's sweetheat to die in captivity his legacy would have never survived. It must have been hell in the Roosavelt household since Amiela and Ellenore were best friends.
Great info. Thanks.
Like a moth to a flame.
Yep!
"Whose bright idea was it to put every idiot in the world in touch with every other idiot? It's working!" -- P. J. O'Rourke
If the Japs seized the plane, how did FDR destroy it?
I'm not arguing for or against any theory but the Japs had Saipan too, before we took it away from them. IF the plane was stored in a hanger, and our troops found it, it's logical FDR could have ordered it destroyed.
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
If the Japs seized the plane, how did FDR destroy it?
They took the plane to Saipan, and when the US forces took over they island the plane was in a hangar at Aslito field which is now the Saipan airport. A GI who was a demolition expert blew up a safe that was in one of the Japanese headquarters on the island, and in the safe was Amelia's briefcase case with all her papers in it. It was handed over to some high ranking offcier and he and the briefcase wasnever to be seen or heard from again.
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RUMs are like woman in Stiletto heals, you know they are going to put you in the poor house, but that has never stopped anyone from pursuing them.
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From the original link: "Deep Sea Vision says that it believes Earhart and her navigator got off track because they forgot to take into account the International Date Line leading them to be off target and crash into the ocean."
I'll be the first to admit I am no expert in navigation but can somebody explain what the IDL has to do with this?
5200 square mile search area around Howland Island, her last known locale. No other plane like images reported? Not WWII battle areas. 16,000 ft down. Pretty exciting possibility. It was a top hatch plane. Never heard if they carried a life raft. It would have been difficult to deploy. So many theories, crackpot and otherwise. It would solve a big mystery. Now can you get excited? Sheesh.....
We don’t have anything that can reach 16,000 feet do we?
The guy who owns the company is an Air Force Academy grad. He made his money in real estate and is now focusing on deep sea mapping. The submersible they use is rated to 6000 M.
Just googled, 32,000 ft Chinese manned. 35,000 world record by submersible.
Yep. And they did it way back in 1960.
Trieste (bathyscaphe)
Trieste is a Swiss-designed, Italian-built deep-diving research bathyscaphe. In 1960, it became the first crewed vessel to reach the bottom of Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench, the deepest point in Earth's seabed. The mission was the final goal for Project Nekton, a series of dives conducted by the United States Navy in the Pacific Ocean near Guam. The vessel was piloted by Swiss oceanographer Jacques Piccard and US Navy lieutenant Don Walsh. They reached a depth of about 10,916 metres (35,814 ft).
Trieste shortly after her purchase by the US Navy in 1958.
He knew that they had her but could not do anything about it without going to war with them, remember this was before pearl harbor and things were already tense. He had the plane and all evidence distroyed because if ever word got out that he left America's sweetheat to die in captivity his legacy would have never survived. It must have been hell in the Roosavelt household since Amiela and Ellenore were best friends.
Great info. Thanks.
Like a moth to a flame.
😂😂😂
Originally Posted by shrapnel
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
Pilot Amelia Earhart replicates 1937 Amelia Earhart's flight
The plane of the iconic pilot Amelia Earhart may have been located in the Pacific Ocean. Another experienced pilot who shares the same name, Amelia Earhart, replicated the flight Earhart took in 1937 when she disappeared. She joins "Dan Abrams Live."
video posted to YouTube on Jan 31, 2024
"Whose bright idea was it to put every idiot in the world in touch with every other idiot? It's working!" -- P. J. O'Rourke
Pilot Amelia Earhart replicates 1937 Amelia Earhart's flight
The plane of the iconic pilot Amelia Earhart may have been located in the Pacific Ocean. Another experienced pilot who shares the same name, Amelia Earhart, replicated the flight Earhart took in 1937 when she disappeared. She joins "Dan Abrams Live."
video posted to YouTube on Jan 31, 2024
Flying around the world is a big deal of course, doing it in a Pilatus, priceless. Heck of a stallion to ride that trip out.
Osky
A woman's heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth and I can find no sign on it.
She crashed on a remote atoll in the Marshall islands where she was captured by the Japanese and brought to Saipan, where she was held in the garapan prison. The Saipanese were under Japanese ocupation on Saipan, but knew what was going on and the ones that were interviewed said she died of disentary and Noonan was executed they were both buried on Saipan but ther bodies were moved several times. The plane was towed to Saipan on a barge the us forces found the plane in a hangar at Aslito field in flying condition, and the plane took one last flight around they island before meeting it's fate at they end of the runway. They order to distroy the plane came directly from FDR.
Mike Campbell has several youtube videos where he is interviewed and explains her fate.
I saw a documentary on Directv several years ago. An Army guy was on Saipan as the war ended. He and his buddies found a safe in the office of the Saipan airport. They blew the safe door. To his astonishment, in the safe were the flight logs of Amelia Earhart. He handed the log books over to an officer and they were never seen again. He also saw Earhart's plane in a hangar there on Saipan, and he watched while the Americans took it for a flight around the field.
They interviewed this guy for 15 minutes. This was a very believable documentary. I don't know what advantage it would bring to a WW2 combat veteran, 40 years after the war, to make up a story like this.
I heard a pretty interesting podcast saying that Amelia was actually spying on the Japanese and was captured. Died in captivity. If this is true she should be honored as a hero. Probably never know the truth though.
Ron
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Orwell
I heard a pretty interesting podcast saying that Amelia was actually spying on the Japanese and was captured. Died in captivity. If this is true she should be honored as a hero. Probably never know the truth though.
She didn’t crash or land there. Her plane is in a jungle and soon will be recorded as to the exact location..
Interesting thought? Do you or anyone know if she ditched at night? Probably no way to know the weather given they don’t know exactly where she was? I thought I’d read there were a couple receivers that were hearing her and could get a bearing on the signal? I’m probably wrong.
Osky
A woman's heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth and I can find no sign on it.
She didn’t crash or land there. Her plane is in a jungle and soon will be recorded as to the exact location..
Interesting thought? Do you or anyone know if she ditched at night? Probably no way to know the weather given they don’t know exactly where she was? I thought I’d read there were a couple receivers that were hearing her and could get a bearing on the signal? I’m probably wrong.
Osky
Daytime. US coastguard cutter Itasca was in the immediate vicinity.
“ As the Lockheed approached Howland Island, Earhart radioed the Itasca and explained that she was low on fuel. However, after several hours of frustrating attempts, two-way communication was only briefly established, and the Itasca was unable to pinpoint the Lockheed’s location or offer navigational information. Earhart circled the Itasca‘s position but was unable to sight the ship, which was sending out miles of black smoke. She radioed “one-half hour fuel and no landfall” and later tried to give information on her position. Soon after, contact was lost, and Earhart presumably tried to land the Lockheed on the water.”
“Earhart and Noonan took off on July 2 from Lae, New Guinea. They were headed for Howland Island, a dot two feet above sea level in the Pacific Ocean some 2,550 miles away. The U.S. Coast Guard cutter Itasca was stationed just offshore the island to provide radio navigation and communication support to Earhart. The cutter was in contact with the Earhart plane after it departed New Guinea and intermittently thereafter. Radio reception was poor, but at 6:14 a.m. on July 2 the plane reported its position as 200 miles away from Howland. Earhart contacted the Itasca at 7:42 a.m. indicating “We must be on you, but we cannot see you. Fuel is running low. Been unable to reach you by radio. We are flying at 1,000 feet.”
The ship tried to reply, but the plane seemed not to hear. Just before 8:00 a.m. the plane radioed they were circling and requested bearings. Earhart and Noonan reported they had received the cutter’s signals, but were unable to obtain a minimum for a bearing. At 8:43 a.m. the plane reported being on line 157-337 and running north and south with no reference point given. It was the last Itasca heard from Earhart and Noonan.
With no sign of the plane, it was assumed it had gone down. Itasca got under way at full speed to commence a search. On July 6, President Roosevelt expressed his concern for the safety of Earhart and that he was receiving frequent reports from the Navy Department on the progress of the search for her. He said he had ordered the search to cover as much territory as possible.”
Actual radio log from the cutter Itasca can be viewed here.
I am going with the lost at sea story. It’s the most logical. The Japanese story don’t make sense. Why would Japan capture Amelia when they where planning to attack Pearl Harbor? At pre war time we had little indication Japan would attack us. Time will tell. Don’t know if Shrapnel knows something or is speculating.
I am going with the lost at sea story. It’s the most logical. The Japanese story don’t make sense. Why would Japan capture Amelia when they where planning to attack Pearl Harbor? At pre war time we had little indication Japan would attack us. Time will tell. Don’t know if Shrapnel knows something or is speculating.
She disapeared in 1937 and pearl harbour was 4 years later, they were pissed that the US cut off there coal and fuel supply because we knew they were using those resourses to built there military arsenal.
RUMs are like woman in Stiletto heals, you know they are going to put you in the poor house, but that has never stopped anyone from pursuing them.
I heard a pretty interesting podcast saying that Amelia was actually spying on the Japanese and was captured. Died in captivity. If this is true she should be honored as a hero. Probably never know the truth though.
Ron
Why wouldn’t the gov’t release that info now if they have it?
Originally Posted by shrapnel
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
Granite State. You have presented a strong case. Even though I’m going with the lost at sea theory , I would not bet my life on it. You are one of the few people on here who can discuss a topic without attacking someone because they don’t agree with you. Your a good person and an asset to the fire!! Cheers! Alan
“Earhart and Noonan took off on July 2 from Lae, New Guinea. They were headed for Howland Island, a dot two feet above sea level in the Pacific Ocean some 2,550 miles away. The U.S. Coast Guard cutter Itasca was stationed just offshore the island to provide radio navigation and communication support to Earhart. The cutter was in contact with the Earhart plane after it departed New Guinea and intermittently thereafter. Radio reception was poor, but at 6:14 a.m. on July 2 the plane reported its position as 200 miles away from Howland. Earhart contacted the Itasca at 7:42 a.m. indicating “We must be on you, but we cannot see you. Fuel is running low. Been unable to reach you by radio. We are flying at 1,000 feet.”
The ship tried to reply, but the plane seemed not to hear. Just before 8:00 a.m. the plane radioed they were circling and requested bearings. Earhart and Noonan reported they had received the cutter’s signals, but were unable to obtain a minimum for a bearing. At 8:43 a.m. the plane reported being on line 157-337 and running north and south with no reference point given. It was the last Itasca heard from Earhart and Noonan.
With no sign of the plane, it was assumed it had gone down. Itasca got under way at full speed to commence a search. On July 6, President Roosevelt expressed his concern for the safety of Earhart and that he was receiving frequent reports from the Navy Department on the progress of the search for her. He said he had ordered the search to cover as much territory as possible.”
Actual radio log from the cutter Itasca can be viewed here.
[/quote]Why wouldn’t the gov’t release that info now if they have it?[/quote]
Because FDR is the golden boy as far as democrats are concerned and it would distroy his legacy, if it got out that he let America's sweetheart "Which is what she was" left to die. Don't forget it was a different time the great depression was still going on and folks needed something to hang on to. Back then hero's were hero's and did not get caught in a cheap motel rooms with a couple of hookers and a pile of coke on the table, were they perfect no they wern't but at least they had class, which is severely lacking in todays world.
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RUMs are like woman in Stiletto heals, you know they are going to put you in the poor house, but that has never stopped anyone from pursuing them.
I thought I heard someplace that from the strength of the radio signal, Itasca thought she was very close and some guys even went outside to see it they could spot the plane. They couldn't.
It doesn't matter much now. She'd be long dead of old age.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
I am going with the lost at sea story. It’s the most logical. The Japanese story don’t make sense. Why would Japan capture Amelia when they where planning to attack Pearl Harbor? At pre war time we had little indication Japan would attack us. Time will tell. Don’t know if Shrapnel knows something or is speculating.
She disapeared in 1937 and pearl harbour was 4 years later, they were pissed that the US cut off there coal and fuel supply because we knew they were using those resourses to built there military arsenal.
The Embargo’s started in 1939 and expanded to include oil in in 1940, well after Earhart disappeared.
Yes but there was already tension before that between the two, and the US knew they were building up there war machine and were building up the Marchal islands bases. ultimately towards Hawaii.
RUMs are like woman in Stiletto heals, you know they are going to put you in the poor house, but that has never stopped anyone from pursuing them.
I thought I heard someplace that from the strength of the radio signal, Itasca thought she was very close and some guys even went outside to see it they could spot the plane. They couldn't.
It doesn't matter much now. She'd be long dead of old age.
They could hear her engine but it was overcast, a factor in missing the low lying island. The plane and ship did not have compatible radio systems; didn't help communication.
This whole thing got me reading more . Looked at the flight maps. I read an article where they interviewed Amelia’s sister back in the 80s . She believed her sister ran out of gas. The spy thing she did not believe. The financial supporters of the mission where not motivated by that and Amelia apparently had higher values according to the sister. It’s all interesting in the theories. On a different note, DB Cooper is another one that may go unsolved.
This whole thing got me reading more . Looked at the flight maps. I read an article where they interviewed Amelia’s sister back in the 80s . She believed her sister ran out of gas. The spy thing she did not believe. The financial supporters of the mission where not motivated by that and Amelia apparently had higher values according to the sister. It’s all interesting in the theories. On a different note, DB Cooper is another one that may go unsolved.
Amelia picked up him and the money on their way to Argentina where they started a winery.
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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
The Japanese thing doesn’t make sense. I mean maybe the Japs would have taken her prisoner and treated her poorly to the point she died. But keep her airplane in airworthy condition for eight years? No, that didn’t happen. First, they would have tried to hide the evidence. We weren’t at war with them in 1937 but that aircraft, had it been seen or found by someone, would have created a major international incident. It would have been destroyed. Had they not destroyed it for some reason, they absolutely would have used it during the war for some purpose. It was a perfectly good transport plane and they were short of everything.
I read an account the other day about some Japanese fighter pilots who were stranded at Iwo Jima and finally ordered back to Japan. The transport that came to get them was ancient and held together with bailing wire and spit. They had to turn back after takeoff twice because of engine trouble and then the pilots flying it were kids with only twenty hours or so time. They hit some weather and the fighter pilots had to take over to keep the thing from crashing and they barely made it home. If that plane had been anywhere close to airworthy on Saipan, it would have been put to use.
This whole thing got me reading more . Looked at the flight maps. I read an article where they interviewed Amelia’s sister back in the 80s . She believed her sister ran out of gas. The spy thing she did not believe. The financial supporters of the mission where not motivated by that and Amelia apparently had higher values according to the sister. It’s all interesting in the theories. On a different note, DB Cooper is another one that may go unsolved.
Amelia picked up him and the money on their way to Argentina where they started a winery.
Ya I heard that too, and Elvis was a regular performer at the winery.
This whole thing got me reading more . Looked at the flight maps. I read an article where they interviewed Amelia’s sister back in the 80s . She believed her sister ran out of gas. The spy thing she did not believe. The financial supporters of the mission where not motivated by that and Amelia apparently had higher values according to the sister. It’s all interesting in the theories. On a different note, DB Cooper is another one that may go unsolved.
Amelia picked up him and the money on their way to Argentina where they started a winery.
Ya I heard that too, and Elvis was a regular performer at the winery.
Was that the same winery that Hitler used to visit now and then?
DON’T BE TOO PROUD OF THIS TECHNOLOGICAL TERROR YOU’VE CONSTRUCTED. THE ABILITY TO DESTROY A PLANET IS INSIGNIFICANT NEXT TO THE POWER OF THE FORCE.
This whole thing got me reading more . Looked at the flight maps. I read an article where they interviewed Amelia’s sister back in the 80s . She believed her sister ran out of gas. The spy thing she did not believe. The financial supporters of the mission where not motivated by that and Amelia apparently had higher values according to the sister. It’s all interesting in the theories. On a different note, DB Cooper is another one that may go unsolved.
Amelia picked up him and the money on their way to Argentina where they started a winery.
Ya I heard that too, and Elvis was a regular performer at the winery.
Was that the same winery that Hitler used to visit now and then?
Funny, I almost said that but I’m enough wise ass as it is. LOL!
This whole thing got me reading more . Looked at the flight maps. I read an article where they interviewed Amelia’s sister back in the 80s . She believed her sister ran out of gas. The spy thing she did not believe. The financial supporters of the mission where not motivated by that and Amelia apparently had higher values according to the sister. It’s all interesting in the theories. On a different note, DB Cooper is another one that may go unsolved.
Again, not arguing any theory, but she didn't actually have to be a "spy" for Japan to accuse her of it. Look what's going on today in Russia with American reporters being held as "spies". Pretty common excuse to arrest and indefinitely detain someone for whatever reasons that some countries do that sort of thing. Hell, we even do it.
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
I am going with the lost at sea story. It’s the most logical. The Japanese story don’t make sense. Why would Japan capture Amelia when they where planning to attack Pearl Harbor? At pre war time we had little indication Japan would attack us. Time will tell. Don’t know if Shrapnel knows something or is speculating.
I am sure that something will show up about this in the near future that will surprise everyone…
From the original link: "Deep Sea Vision says that it believes Earhart and her navigator got off track because they forgot to take into account the International Date Line leading them to be off target and crash into the ocean."
I'll be the first to admit I am no expert in navigation but can somebody explain what the IDL has to do with this?
SWAG, if they were shooting stars with a sextant the time hack has to be correct. I'm not sure if they used sextants back then or not...
Yes but there was already tension before that between the two, and the US knew they were building up there war machine and were building up the Marchal islands bases. ultimately towards Hawaii.
The Marshall islands are 700 miles from where the Coast Guard reported Earhart radioing that She was almost out of gas near Howland Island. There are no islands within a flyable distance of Howland to an aircraft nearly out of fuel. The Mariana’s (Saipan etc) are 1800 miles from the Marshall’s…it seems unlikely that Earhart’s plane landed in any condition to be moved to Saipan. Scuttlebutt could move that far but probably not the plane.
I am going with the lost at sea story. It’s the most logical. The Japanese story don’t make sense. Why would Japan capture Amelia when they where planning to attack Pearl Harbor? At pre war time we had little indication Japan would attack us. Time will tell. Don’t know if Shrapnel knows something or is speculating.
I am sure that something will show up about this in the near future that will surprise everyone…
Why wouldn’t the gov’t release that info now if they have it?
Because FDR is the golden boy as far as democrats are concerned and it would distroy his legacy, if it got out that he let America's sweetheart "Which is what she was" left to die. Don't forget it was a different time the great depression was still going on and folks needed something to hang on to. Back then hero's were hero's and did not get caught in a cheap motel rooms with a couple of hookers and a pile of coke on the table, were they perfect no they wern't but at least they had class, which is severely lacking in todays world.
Nobody cares enough about AE anymore to tarnish any legacy. I understand not releasing it at the time, or for the next several decades, but we’re coming up on a century here pretty quick.
People would find it amusing.
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I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.
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I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
I love mysteries . I hope they find the plane while I’m alive. The sea holds many secrets. I’m glad we have people that have the interest in researching history either land or sea. I met a girl about 15 years ago and she said she was related to Emilia’s boyfriend. I think his name was Putman or something like that. The girl gave me her name and I did the Geneolgy and she was right. Funny thing I found out she was releted to the Crayola Crayon original owner which I informed her when I later seen her. The bottom line, you either like history or you don’t!
Cmon Man....you gotta get it right..........No I'm having rephrase your last sentence.
"The bottom line, you either like history or you change it i the name of wokeness.
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Let's recap shall we? This is what the data, the research and the eyewitness reports show. (After 35 years of research, interviews and footage).
1. She didn't make Howland so she turned to land at Gardner Island. She was already 200 Miles NW of Howland when she turned - which was an error she had done in Dakkar and Burbank. She was off course, and her straight line took her to another island.
2. She went straight for Mili Atoll and was able to land the Electra on its then mile long exposed atoll. (Now mostly covered in water).
3. EYEWITNESSES saw her land. Dick Spink, who makes boats, has traveled extensively in the region -interviewed the family of two fishermen who saw the plane land. They fished in that region daily, they saw the plane land on their atoll.
4. She lost her brake assembly as it landed. Pieces of it were retrieved by Dick Spink, taken to an NTSB investigator Jim Hayton (Seattle) who confirmed "beyond a shadow of doubt" that it came from her plane. He happens to have the identical Electra brake assembly - only used on her plane.
5. The Japanese came to the atoll and arrested her. The arrest was witnessed by islanders including the "Queen of Mili atoll" who was later interviewed by an Australian author who wrote a book in the 1980's. Others interviewed her, heard the same story.
6. Amelia and Fred (badly wounded) were taken first to Majuro. A stevedore who later worked on Majuro with US Navy Andrew Bryce - (pictured on this page) told him that he helped the Japanese drag her plane across Mili to the lagoon, then put it on a Japanese barge. The tools used to drag it (small rail cars) were found by Dick Spink and others in a recent trip to the island.
6. She and the plane and Fred were put aboard the Kyoshu, taken to Jaluit. In Jaluit she and the plane were seen by local islanders, included a young boy who later became a congressman in those islands. Bilimon Amaron was a local medic who was ordered to tend to Amelia and Fred's wounds. His testimony is on camera (filmed by Mike Harris) and other researchers in the 80's. Mike and I interviewed his business partner who knew Bilimon well over decades of their working together 10 years ago. He vouches for his testimony, as he puts it "Honest beyond reproach, we all knew that if said he had done that, he had. It wasn't a secret."
7. She and Fred were flown by seaplane to Saipan. The plane was taken to Saipan by ship. The Electra was stored on Aslito field where dozens of local people saw it, both in its hangar and out of it. I've interviewed or collected interviews with 12 US Marines who saw it while they were fighting the battle for Saipan.
8. Fred was reportedly executed for "being the spy." They had two aerial Fairchild cameras on board, placed there while the plane was refurbished by the US Navy in Burbank. (The Navy mechanic who installed them is on record). Fred was executed early on for "being the spy" - and Amelia kept as a "bargaining chip" they never used.
9. Saipan was part of the Japanese nation since 1914. They considered Saipan "homeland" and their Naval headquarters was based there. There was also a prison, one of 19 in the Japanese records from 1930's to the end of the war. I've been to the library in Tokyo where they have all the known volumes of names and dates from all of their prisons and prisoners. Detailed, well kept records. When asked why the only volume missing was from Saipan, the librarian told me "these are the volumes that were returned from the US after the war." Only one was missing; the prison in Saipan.
10. Mike Harris and I filmed interviews with 5 US veterans who were on Saipan or knew about her presence there. One found her briefcase and passport in a safe. Another saw the same briefcase, and was the one who decoded the message "We have found Earhart's plane on Aslito airfield" in July of 44.
(Why people pretend like they don't know what they're talking about, when they repeat the same exact story is beyond me. In Saipan, there were 200 islanders who reported seeing her there, in a recent trip there, fifteen new eyewitnesses came forward.)
11. New eyewitnesses include a man whose mother tended to her in the hospital, who warned him not to tell anyone as the Japanese executed "spies." Two 80 year olds who both saw her paraded around the island on the back of the truck. There were three Americans on the truck. (Fred had already been executed.) The other two were US pilots who were shot down prior to the US landing on Saipan, who were doing reconnaisance. Both of those pilots were executed, one shot, the other beheaded (and was the source of other reports of AE being shot or beheaded, as islanders knew about Americans who that happened to.) Those two pilots were part of an official military inquest after the war - their bodies were recovered to see if they had been the victims of torture (they were not.)
12. Amelia died of dystenery not long after being seen by these two islanders. (Both spoke of the same day, how she had been parked in front of their school for half an hour, neither had spoken about it until I interviewed them). As one man said "I was 12 years old. She was the first "caucasian" women I had ever seen, and she was wearing men's clothing, her hands tied behind her back. It's not something you would ever forget." That was in May of 1944. (7 years after she arrived in Saipan).
13. She died of dystentery. Her body was buried along with Noonan's. Later, two GI's Hansen and Burke reported to CBS correspondent in the 1960's that they were ordered to dig them up. Later in an interview in the 1970's (Chicago Tribune, UPI) they said "they had only found an arm and a partial ribcage."
14. Her body was moved, reportedly by the islanders who had cared for her, who didn't feel she got a proper Christian burial. That's why Hansen and Burke only found an arm and a partial ribcage.
15. The rest of her is still on Saipan. I have a pretty good idea of that location based on a number of factors; the Electra was burned (witnessed by multiple GI's) and buried at the end of the runway (along with all the other crashed planes and detritus from the war). The end of the runway still exists. (The new airport was built in another direction)
However, the NTSB investigator tells me that the steel structure of her plane would be intact, and as it was a unique size, and could be identified by proper ground penetrating radar.
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RUMs are like woman in Stiletto heals, you know they are going to put you in the poor house, but that has never stopped anyone from pursuing them.
1. She didn't make Howland so she turned to land at Gardner Island. She was already 200 Miles NW of Howland when she turned - which was an error she had done in Dakkar and Burbank. She was off course, and her straight line took her to another island.
2. She went straight for Mili Atoll and was able to land the Electra on its then mile long exposed atoll. (Now mostly covered in water).
Story I heard recently was that there were 2 identical planes with an Amelia lookalike flying the other plane. Not sure why. Remember, this was back when people could keep a secret. People believed in National Security. No social media. No mass media 24 hour news feeds.
Ron
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Orwell
Story I heard recently was that there were 2 identical planes with an Amelia lookalike flying the other plane. Not sure why. Remember, this was back when people could keep a secret. People believed in National Security. No social media. No mass media 24 hour news feeds.
Story I heard recently was that there were 2 identical planes with an Amelia lookalike flying the other plane. Not sure why. Remember, this was back when people could keep a secret. People believed in National Security. No social media. No mass media 24 hour news feeds.
Ron
Did jag tell you that?
Seriously.
If so you may be entitled to financial compensation. Call us here at the law offices of ......
IF a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass every time he hopped either!
You’re a pilot. What do you think happened?
Lots of things could have happened! Spatial disorientation, bad weather, blown jug or complete engine failure, died at the stick and augured straight in and is lying on bottom seabed! Aviation ain't all silk scarfs and sunshine! A lot of pilots have in the back of their mind that "well it's not gonna happen to me" it's always the other guy it's gonna happen to...and that's not being realistic! During my 45 years in aviation I did LOTS OF PRAYING because at heart I knew what could happen and I had the lost friends in crashes to prove it!
Compass deviation, magnetic variables, etc all lead to inaccurate courses. Confirming their position with a sextant doesn’t work during the day or with cloud cover. If conditions are not favorable for using a sextant they can get serious refraction errors too. Knowing where you are in a 3 dimensional space is not always simple and not accounting for the international date line can throw navigation off. Variation differs and must be plotted accurately others being 2 degrees off over hundreds or thousands of miles can equal a HUGE miss.
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The Itasca crew heard the plane's engine. Everyone knew there was 30 minutes of fuel remaining. These two facts are the only clues. The rest is fantasy. Something like a compass might be helpful.
My guess is navigation error. With today's equipment (GPS) a Boy Scout can go halfway around the world and taxi up to the right bathroom door or tie up at the proper boat cleat. Such was not possible back in the day (1937). Many years back during my USN stint, I spent time with a gentleman in Queensland whose passion was recovering and restoring WWII aircraft (1940's). During that conflict there were craft leaving Sydney and heading for New Guinea. Maps, equipment, and distance estimates at that time were so poor that many ran out of fuel and landed or piled in before even leaving the continent much less reaching New Guinea and finding an airstrip. Locating a small mid-Pacific Island in those years was certainly a significant challenge. Without the aid of landmarks, one needs way more than a simple compass when wandering about at that scale. Each degree of longitude near the equator amounts to about 69.1 miles. One degree of error in one's map or navigation, and land is well out of sight.
Again, I hope one day the mystery is settled. An inquiring mind really wants to know.
Some interesting reading in the sight above. Supposedly this new wreckage was with 100 miles of Howland but not sure what direction. Author of the above link figured she ditched ~200 miles north - northwest.
Some interesting reading in the sight above. Supposedly this new wreckage was with 100 miles of Howland but not sure what direction. Author of the above link figured she ditched ~200 miles north - northwest.
I'm guessing it was a lot closer than that. Probably around 40 miles from the island.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Story I heard recently was that there were 2 identical planes with an Amelia lookalike flying the other plane. Not sure why. Remember, this was back when people could keep a secret. People believed in National Security. No social media. No mass media 24 hour news feeds.
Ron
Did jag tell you that?
Seriously.
Nope, podcast interview of some guy who has spent his adult life investigating the case. I didn’t say it was true, just a plausible scenario he gave. All in the name of US National Security before going to war with Japan.
Ron
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Orwell
My guess is navigation error. With today's equipment (GPS) a Boy Scout can go halfway around the world and taxi up to the right bathroom door or tie up at the proper boat cleat. Such was not possible back in the day (1937). Many years back during my USN stint, I spent time with a gentleman in Queensland whose passion was recovering and restoring WWII aircraft. During that conflict there were craft leaving Sydney and heading for New Guinea. Maps, equipment, and distant measures at that time were so poor that many ran out of fuel and landed or piled in before even leaving the continent much less finding New Guinea and an airstrip. Finding a small mid-Pacific Island in those years was certainly a significant challenge. Without the aid of landmarks, one needs way more than a simple compass when wandering about at that scale.
Again, I hope one day the mystery is settled. An inquiring mind,
And Howland Island only rises a few feet above sea level. It sounds there was low cloud cover she would need to fly below to spot it. One would have to be almost on top of the island to make visual contact with it under those conditions. Small navigation error is all it would take.
Compass deviation, magnetic variables, etc all lead to inaccurate courses. Confirming their position with a sextant doesn’t work during the day or with cloud cover. If conditions are not favorable for using a sextant they can get serious refraction errors too. Knowing where you are in a 3 dimensional space is not always simple and not accounting for the international date line can throw navigation off. Variation differs and must be plotted accurately others being 2 degrees off over hundreds or thousands of miles can equal a HUGE miss.
Can’t use a sextant during the day? I’ve taken dozens of accurate noon sights. Bowditch is your friend.
Story I heard recently was that there were 2 identical planes with an Amelia lookalike flying the other plane. Not sure why. Remember, this was back when people could keep a secret. People believed in National Security. No social media. No mass media 24 hour news feeds.
Ron
I've got a little secret for you. Social media is not a good source of reliable information. (Don't tell Jag, or a few dozen others on this website.)
There was a brief period where I had an interest in celestial navigation, but I never pursued it. I have a cursory understanding of the principles (i.e sextants, chronographs, tables, etc.) but still marvel at tasks performed by our early explorers.
One instance that impressed me was an (Shackleton or Scott? Memory fails.) expedition in the Antarctic. With no maps, navigation there was a challenge even though one was marching on land. Seems one day they forgot to wind their watch. With a high level of anger, they turned about and went back to a previous campsite where they had established a definitive position. There they fired up the watch, took a series of measures exactly 4 hours apart, went through their charts backwards, derived the exact time, reset the watch, and took off again. I would have sat down, cried a bit, and turned around to walk home.
Another marvel was reading of Cook's exploits. He wandered the globe for a couple years with one of the world's first accurate time pieces and decided to check its accuracy after docking back in Great Britian (mid 1770's). Seems he was off by about 3 miles. Not bad for the time (pun intended).
Even today, there are still folks working on precisely positioning our prime meridian and establishing the earth's exact circumference. We're getting down to where inches matter.
Compass deviation, magnetic variables, etc all lead to inaccurate courses. Confirming their position with a sextant doesn’t work during the day or with cloud cover. If conditions are not favorable for using a sextant they can get serious refraction errors too. Knowing where you are in a 3 dimensional space is not always simple and not accounting for the international date line can throw navigation off. Variation differs and must be plotted accurately others being 2 degrees off over hundreds or thousands of miles can equal a HUGE miss.
Can’t use a sextant during the day? I’ve taken dozens of accurate noon sights. Bowditch is your friend.
Thanks - saved me the trouble. Sextant can be used just fine in the day. Rex
Story I heard recently was that there were 2 identical planes with an Amelia lookalike flying the other plane. Not sure why. Remember, this was back when people could keep a secret. People believed in National Security. No social media. No mass media 24 hour news feeds.
Ron
I've got a little secret for you. Social media is not a good source of reliable information. (Don't tell Jag, or a few dozen others on this website.)
Like I said, just a theory I heard. Never said it was real. Just a possibility.
Ron
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Orwell
That AUV has a great name for a search vehicle. Hugin is one of the two ravens (Munin is the other) that Odin sends around the world to gather knowledge and bring it back to him.
Compass deviation, magnetic variables, etc all lead to inaccurate courses. Confirming their position with a sextant doesn’t work during the day or with cloud cover. If conditions are not favorable for using a sextant they can get serious refraction errors too. Knowing where you are in a 3 dimensional space is not always simple and not accounting for the international date line can throw navigation off. Variation differs and must be plotted accurately others being 2 degrees off over hundreds or thousands of miles can equal a HUGE miss.
Can’t use a sextant during the day? I’ve taken dozens of accurate noon sights. Bowditch is your friend.
Thanks - saved me the trouble. Sextant can be used just fine in the day. Rex
Capt. Philip Weems offered instructional celestial navigation to Amelia, too late, before her journey. After the war, Charles Blair made the first solo trans-polar flight in a P-51 Mustang using Weems navigation tables.
Imagery looks like a swept wing plane. Amelia Earhart's plane was a straight wing. So what is it we're being distracted from?
I think your right, looks more like a jet of some sort than a Lockheed Martin.
I can't believe they'd make a claim like that without putting eyes on it unless they were told to........
Just FYI: It was just Lockheed back then.
"The Lockheed Martin Corporation is an American aerospace, arms, defense, information security, and technology corporation with worldwide interests. It was formed by the merger of Lockheed Corporation with Martin Marietta in March 1995." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin
Compass deviation, magnetic variables, etc all lead to inaccurate courses. Confirming their position with a sextant doesn’t work during the day or with cloud cover. If conditions are not favorable for using a sextant they can get serious refraction errors too. Knowing where you are in a 3 dimensional space is not always simple and not accounting for the international date line can throw navigation off. Variation differs and must be plotted accurately others being 2 degrees off over hundreds or thousands of miles can equal a HUGE miss.
Can’t use a sextant during the day? I’ve taken dozens of accurate noon sights. Bowditch is your friend.
Thanks - saved me the trouble. Sextant can be used just fine in the day. Rex
If you can’t see celestial bodies and you’re in cloud cover without any reference points, ie over open ocean, how do you determine your position?….you don’t. I was pretty unclear in my reply but I was specifically speaking to the Earhart flight.
If you don’t have a single point of reference let alone 3 how effective is a sextant?
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I did a little reading last night, Earhart would time her departures so that her she'd take off in the afternoon and fly dead reckoning until it got dark. The bulk of the flight would be at night so they could use celestial navigation, take a final fix before daylight and then land an hour after sunrise.
I did a little reading last night, Earhart would time her departures so that her she'd take off in the afternoon and fly dead reckoning until it got dark. The bulk of the flight would be at night so they could use celestial navigation, take a final fix before daylight and then land an hour after sunrise.
I had read similar about their navigational procedures and that’s where I was coming from. I’m NOT competent with sextant navigation or getting a positional fix by sextant so I’m just going by my limited knowledge of sextant use. I know that they, like most things, are reliant on the accuracy of the inputs so unless you are getting a good clear look at celestial bodies or other “fixed” objects….garbage data in=garbage data out which is not a good thing when trying to navigate safely.
Their approach to Howland island was during the day, in overcast or “hazy” conditions which forced them down to 1000’agl. I’m not sure how useful a sextant would be in that case but in my limited experience it would be worthless until the conditions were favorable. Flying DR during the afternoon so they could use the sextant at night and get good positional fixes makes perfect sense to me, but again I’m not knowledgeable enough about sextants to make definitive statements about them. 😀
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
I did a little reading last night, Earhart would time her departures so that her she'd take off in the afternoon and fly dead reckoning until it got dark. The bulk of the flight would be at night so they could use celestial navigation, take a final fix before daylight and then land an hour after sunrise.
I had read similar about their navigational procedures and that’s where I was coming from. I’m NOT competent with sextant navigation or getting a positional fix by sextant so I’m just going by my limited knowledge of sextant use. I know that they, like most things, are reliant on the accuracy of the inputs so unless you are getting a good clear look at celestial bodies or other “fixed” objects….garbage data in=garbage data out which is not a good thing when trying to navigate safely.
Their approach to Howland island was during the day, in overcast or “hazy” conditions which forced them down to 1000’agl. I’m not sure how useful a sextant would be in that case but in my limited experience it would be worthless until the conditions were favorable. Flying DR during the afternoon so they could use the sextant at night and get good positional fixes makes perfect sense to me, but again I’m not knowledgeable enough about sextants to make definitive statements about them. 😀
👌 While I've been in the cockpit of an EC/KC-135 while the navigator and boom operator were working together taking sextant shots I've never been personally walked through the process like I was for radar navigation. I had a rough idea of what they were doing though the math escapes me. 135's have a sextant port where the sextant actually protrudes out of the aircraft into the airstream. Research the SR-71 navigation system for a really interesting use of celestial navigation...
Interesting. In the process of getting my USCG 100 ton Master’s license the sextant proficiency is not taught. If I recall correctly going up to 500 ton or unlimited the sextant training is measured in weeks. A friend of mine who is a retired USCG unlimited rating Skipper and a former Polar Star and Polar Sea captain was telling me that just to be certified to work on the gyro compasses the electronic techs take a minimum 5 week school on just the gyro. 😀
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
Story I heard recently was that there were 2 identical planes with an Amelia lookalike flying the other plane. Not sure why. Remember, this was back when people could keep a secret. People believed in National Security. No social media. No mass media 24 hour news feeds.
Just got confirmation that her plane has been found. It is not in the ocean as many have speculated. It is in a jungle and a plate from an engine belonging to Amelia Earhart has been identified…
Just got confirmation that her plane has been found. It is not in the ocean as many have speculated. It is in a jungle and a plate from an engine belonging to Amelia Earhart has been identified…
Just got confirmation that her plane has been found. It is not in the ocean as many have speculated. It is in a jungle and a plate from an engine belonging to Amelia Earhart has been identified…
News Flash! I just got confirmation that shrapnel got confirmation that her plane has been found. I'll confirm further details as shrap makes them available. Signed, Jimmy Olson.
Just got confirmation that her plane has been found. It is not in the ocean as many have speculated. It is in a jungle and a plate from an engine belonging to Amelia Earhart has been identified…
Just got confirmation that her plane has been found. It is not in the ocean as many have speculated. It is in a jungle and a plate from an engine belonging to Amelia Earhart has been identified…
News Flash! I just got confirmation that shrapnel got confirmation that her plane has been found. I'll confirm further details as shrap makes them available. Signed, Jimmy Olson.
I expect it should be front page news in every paper by tomorrow morning. 📰🗞️
An Australian foot patrol in 1944 engaged Japanese soldiers outside of Kokopo, PNG. They tracked the retreating Japanese soldiers across enemy lines deeper into the jungle. The Australians paused for quick rest (lunch break). After pressing on, about 30 minutes longer, they encountered a crashed plane. They could see only part of the plane as the jungle had grown over a good part of it.They made a fast investigation and pulled a VIN tag from an engine that torn off one of the wings. They pressed on NOT realizing they found her plane. Only later, after reviewing the data collected on the plane, did it come to light that, the VIN was to an engine on the Lockheed Electra gifted to Amelia from Purdue Univ. We located the tin cans from their lunch break and the portion of the jungle where they encountered the plane.
An Australian foot patrol in 1944 engaged Japanese soldiers outside of Kokopo, PNG. They tracked the retreating Japanese soldiers across enemy lines deeper into the jungle. The Australians paused for quick rest (lunch break). After pressing on, about 30 minutes longer, they encountered a crashed plane. They could see only part of the plane as the jungle had grown over a good part of it.They made a fast investigation and pulled a VIN tag from an engine that torn off one of the wings. They pressed on NOT realizing they found her plane. Only later, after reviewing the data collected on the plane, did it come to light that, the VIN was to an engine on the Lockheed Electra gifted to Amelia from Purdue Univ. We located the tin cans from their lunch break and the portion of the jungle where they encountered the plane.
Are you suggesting that information has been conveniently overlooked by countless people who have spent a fortune and a lifetime searching for the same plane? I’m not making a judgement call on your assertion but it seems like this mystery would have been solved 7 years after it went missing yet very intelligent people have spent 10’s of millions in recent years looking for it.
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
No!!!!! Come no there are 4 dozen 79 year olds that leech and latch onto the schtick. Rockchuck crashes into his ass with some paragraphical cut n paste to add wistful mush.
An Australian foot patrol in 1944 engaged Japanese soldiers outside of Kokopo, PNG. They tracked the retreating Japanese soldiers across enemy lines deeper into the jungle. The Australians paused for quick rest (lunch break). After pressing on, about 30 minutes longer, they encountered a crashed plane. They could see only part of the plane as the jungle had grown over a good part of it.They made a fast investigation and pulled a VIN tag from an engine that torn off one of the wings. They pressed on NOT realizing they found her plane. Only later, after reviewing the data collected on the plane, did it come to light that, the VIN was to an engine on the Lockheed Electra gifted to Amelia from Purdue Univ. We located the tin cans from their lunch break and the portion of the jungle where they encountered the plane.
So 2500k from where she last radioed with 30 minutes of fuel.
An Australian foot patrol in 1944 engaged Japanese soldiers outside of Kokopo, PNG. They tracked the retreating Japanese soldiers across enemy lines deeper into the jungle. The Australians paused for quick rest (lunch break). After pressing on, about 30 minutes longer, they encountered a crashed plane. They could see only part of the plane as the jungle had grown over a good part of it.They made a fast investigation and pulled a VIN tag from an engine that torn off one of the wings. They pressed on NOT realizing they found her plane. Only later, after reviewing the data collected on the plane, did it come to light that, the VIN was to an engine on the Lockheed Electra gifted to Amelia from Purdue Univ. We located the tin cans from their lunch break and the portion of the jungle where they encountered the plane.
Are you suggesting that information has been conveniently overlooked by countless people who have spent a fortune and a lifetime searching for the same plane? I’m not making a judgement call on your assertion but it seems like this mystery would have been solved 7 years after it went missing yet very intelligent people have spent 10’s of millions in recent years looking for it.
Don’t kill the messenger here. What is and what could be are not my making. I am only passing on information as I have gotten it from an archaeologist that has been chasing this for some time.
There are all sorts of stories about her spying, or being found and living in anonymity, and other such speculation. If the plane was found for certain, it makes sense it would be international news, there is supposed to be a show about this on the Discovery Channel soon…
An Australian foot patrol in 1944 engaged Japanese soldiers outside of Kokopo, PNG. They tracked the retreating Japanese soldiers across enemy lines deeper into the jungle. The Australians paused for quick rest (lunch break). After pressing on, about 30 minutes longer, they encountered a crashed plane. They could see only part of the plane as the jungle had grown over a good part of it.They made a fast investigation and pulled a VIN tag from an engine that torn off one of the wings. They pressed on NOT realizing they found her plane. Only later, after reviewing the data collected on the plane, did it come to light that, the VIN was to an engine on the Lockheed Electra gifted to Amelia from Purdue Univ. We located the tin cans from their lunch break and the portion of the jungle where they encountered the plane.
So 2500k from where she last radioed with 30 minutes of fuel.
🤔
Would skip or bounce or whatever the call it have been a possibility?
I cannot discount anything nor would I so take this thought as it is. Not many years ago mineral rights for an entire county in northern Minnesota were sold to an outfit from Colorado. They brought in a large dual bladed helicopter that ran a grid over the entire county area just under 1/4 mile parallel lines, from 1500 feet up. The bird had a huge wire hoop that hung under it as it flew the grid.
I met two guys working ground crew from it and was told underground or above that thing could pick up any trace of minerals or metals to a certain depth. They could adjust it to specific search targets.
If the plane is on land it would seem cost effective and time saving to run one of those over a suspected island and make short work of it?
Osky
A woman's heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth and I can find no sign on it.
There are reports that radio operators picked up transmissions from Earhart after the crash time frame. Any thoughts on this from you history guys, Shrap?
Osky
A woman's heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth and I can find no sign on it.
I cannot discount anything nor would I so take this thought as it is. Not many years ago mineral rights for an entire county in northern Minnesota were sold to an outfit from Colorado. They brought in a large dual bladed helicopter that ran a grid over the entire county area just under 1/4 mile parallel lines, from 1500 feet up. The bird had a huge wire hoop that hung under it as it flew the grid.
I met two guys working ground crew from it and was told underground or above that thing could pick up any trace of minerals or metals to a certain depth. They could adjust it to specific search targets.
If the plane is on land it would seem cost effective and time saving to run one of those over a suspected island and make short work of it?
Osky
This is part of the sophisticated equipment these guys have, which is a drone with the same kind of GPR that you are talking about. He says he will be back in the jungle soon and make a push for where the Aussies had seen the debris in 1944…
An Australian foot patrol in 1944 engaged Japanese soldiers outside of Kokopo, PNG. They tracked the retreating Japanese soldiers across enemy lines deeper into the jungle. The Australians paused for quick rest (lunch break). After pressing on, about 30 minutes longer, they encountered a crashed plane. They could see only part of the plane as the jungle had grown over a good part of it.They made a fast investigation and pulled a VIN tag from an engine that torn off one of the wings. They pressed on NOT realizing they found her plane. Only later, after reviewing the data collected on the plane, did it come to light that, the VIN was to an engine on the Lockheed Electra gifted to Amelia from Purdue Univ. We located the tin cans from their lunch break and the portion of the jungle where they encountered the plane.
Are you suggesting that information has been conveniently overlooked by countless people who have spent a fortune and a lifetime searching for the same plane? I’m not making a judgement call on your assertion but it seems like this mystery would have been solved 7 years after it went missing yet very intelligent people have spent 10’s of millions in recent years looking for it.
Don’t kill the messenger here. What is and what could be are not my making. I am only passing on information as I have gotten it from an archaeologist that has been chasing this for some time.
There are all sorts of stories about her spying, or being found and living in anonymity, and other such speculation. If the plane was found for certain, it makes sense it would be international news, there is supposed to be a show about this on the Discovery Channel soon…
Where is that VIN plate now?
Have your sources seen it, touched it, and checked the numbers themselves?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
An Australian foot patrol in 1944 engaged Japanese soldiers outside of Kokopo, PNG. They tracked the retreating Japanese soldiers across enemy lines deeper into the jungle. The Australians paused for quick rest (lunch break). After pressing on, about 30 minutes longer, they encountered a crashed plane. They could see only part of the plane as the jungle had grown over a good part of it.They made a fast investigation and pulled a VIN tag from an engine that torn off one of the wings. They pressed on NOT realizing they found her plane. Only later, after reviewing the data collected on the plane, did it come to light that, the VIN was to an engine on the Lockheed Electra gifted to Amelia from Purdue Univ. We located the tin cans from their lunch break and the portion of the jungle where they encountered the plane.
Are you suggesting that information has been conveniently overlooked by countless people who have spent a fortune and a lifetime searching for the same plane? I’m not making a judgement call on your assertion but it seems like this mystery would have been solved 7 years after it went missing yet very intelligent people have spent 10’s of millions in recent years looking for it.
Don’t kill the messenger here. What is and what could be are not my making. I am only passing on information as I have gotten it from an archaeologist that has been chasing this for some time.
There are all sorts of stories about her spying, or being found and living in anonymity, and other such speculation. If the plane was found for certain, it makes sense it would be international news, there is supposed to be a show about this on the Discovery Channel soon…
Where is that VIN plate now?
Have your sources seen it, touched it, and checked the numbers themselves?
My question also. In order for them to run that VIN number more than a couple people would have to know about it. I can’t imagine it wouldn’t have been big news.
I was comming back from Tampa and was on rt 674 near Ruskin cutting across to Frostproof and there larger than life in a small airport was an Electra 10E I know it's not her's but it does put things in perspective and just plane cool.
Also in Ruskin there is a cemetery that they Anglin family is buried, for those who do not know they Anglin brothers are are the ones who escaped Alcatraz along with Frank Morris the woman who does the perpetual care there says that she believes the two brothers are buried there and that they have exhumed many of that family plots over the years. I asked how she new all this and she told me that her family over the generations have been taking care of that place since before they escape and when they come in and exhume the bodies, no one pays attention to her like she is not even there but she knows what is going on.
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