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My 450/400 and 375 H&H have the same barrel contour and are in the 8.5 lb range. I believe the 405 Win uses the same contour. Other 1H calibers like the 458 WM have a heavier contour. I'm not sure on the C and D weight designations...
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My #1's in 450-400, 375 H&H and 405 Win all weigh basically the same, right around 8.5 lbs.
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Here are some weight comparisons: ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/245076.jpg) .375 H&H (8 lbs 6 oz) is 4 ounces heavier than same conformation .416 Ruger with bigger bore hole and weird photo lighting: ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/245079.jpg) 450/400 NE 3" and .405 WCF weigh the same, bare/unloaded: 8 lbs 2 oz ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/245080.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/245094.jpg) Indirect sunlight versus dim light bulb, .410-caliber and .411-caliber respectively, and both are 1:14" twist, 24"-long barrels, 0.750" muzzle diameters.
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Although I like the 450-400 #1, I prefer my 404 J because the latter is a 1-H Tropical model. It was built at the Ruger factory with a thread-on removable muzzle brake. The combination of appropriate weight for the cartridge and the brake make heavy loads easy to handle. I try to hold the 450-400 to around 2050-2100 fps MV which is right for its lighter weight. Been to 2400 fps, but no joy there for just practice. Should be OK when the targets can stomp you, though over penetration on all DG - save maybe frontal brain shots on large elephant bulls - is highly likely at that velocity with good solids.
I like the 458 WM as well. A good cartridge with great performance with the right loads and in the right DGR. The 404 Jeffery Ruger No. 1 is a real collectors' item, congrats to Wildcatter264. I wonder how many of those were made ? After some research it seems that 370 #1s were chambered in 404 Jeffery by Ruger. This is a according to discussion on the Ruger Forum. Although there’s talk of chamber dimension problems and ruined cases, I have not experienced that in mine. This particular rifle was retained by the factory and never shipped until I bought it directly from Ruger. It may make the trip to Zim, if I can get there this coming summer.
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I have the .38-55, .375 H&H, .405 Win, .45-70, .458, .475 Linebaugh, and .475 Turnbull. Would like to have a .416 Ruger over the Rigby as they come with the lighter C weight barrels. Could also like the idea of the .404, or the .450-400 
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For general information... 450/400 D weight and one loaded 300gr cartridge (and non factory recoil pad) ![[Linked Image from photos.imageevent.com]](https://photos.imageevent.com/cas6969/guns/large/A5606DA1-739A-4D03-B20B-D88F20A9B1D7.jpeg)
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The rifle should be on the way, I have the Bushnell 4500 1-4X scope in hand, Alaska Arms QD rings are enroute along with dies, brass and the Decelerator pad. Still need to find some bullets and a mold or two. Just had surgery on my C6 and C7 vertebra so might have to wait a little while to shoot it. That will give me time to drop it off at the gunsmith for installation of the pad. I will wait to decide if I need a recoil reducer in the stock or Magnaporting as someone suggested until after I get to shoot it for a little while
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I'm curious to hear how that scope works out for you. I need an offset rear ring for my No. 1s but with the longer eye relief of that 4500, I wonder if it might work without offset rings. It's a 30mm tube, correct?
I currently use the Nikon African 1-4x on all my No. 1s and would consider replacing them with the 4500 if it works.
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Yes it is a 30mm tube. Once everything is here and I get it mounted I will let you know the real world eye relief with standard 30mm rings
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My brother has one he told me it was the most miserable recoiling rifle he ever has gotten..mb I always wanted a 450-400 and didn't want to pay up for a double. I found a deal on new No.1 years ago and bought two boxes of Hornady factory ammo. My dad and I took it out and shot it. It was the hardest recoiling rifle I've ever shot. I think I shot it twice and he shot it once. I took it by a Cabelas the next day and they gave me more in trade than I paid for it. I had a No. 1 in .458 at the time that was not nearly as bad as the 450-400 and I loaded the .458 hot. Given the velocity and 400-grain bullets, I expected recoil would be similar to a hot-loaded 45-70 No. 1. It was not. To this day, I don't know why it kicked so hard, though it was the lighter version.
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I don't find mine intolerable to shoot. I wouldn't want to shoot 20 off the bench in one sitting with either the 450-400 or my 375 H&H but a range session prior to deer camp or load development isn't objectionable
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I’m going to try to get mine into the hunt coming season. Was finally able to order some 300 grain Hornadys a few minutes ago. I have smallish whitetails to hunt, think the 400 Woodleighs would have been a little underwhelming, for as hard as they kick. Not sure how fast I’m going to try to push them, I’m sure they’d do fine even backed off.
But 2400+ should be no problem if I’m feeling it.
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I use the 300 grain Hornady in my rifle with a reduced load of H4895 producing 2000 FPS. This makes for a very comfortable load and a great deer load as well. I've pushed that bullet up over 2400 FPS but it was uncomfortable for me.
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Thank you for the insight. Did you use any sort of filler? I’m not familiar with 4895, how bulky it is or isn’t, what sort of case fill that would be?
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There is no filler needed. I used 68gr of H4895 and the Hornady bullet. I used JB's formula for the reduced load. He has a good chapter on the subject in one of his Gun Gack volumes.
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