Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Savage Collectors Oddball takedown collar - early 1919

This should date to close to the change for the takedown collar after WWI, from having the crossbolt to not having it.

Norm has it and provided the pictures.

Don't think I ever saw a takedown collar with the screws in vertically. Much less 2 sets of holes in the wood.. Probably a newbie to the 99 production in early 1919 cut the slots for the inside metal wrong.

But it has both the inside metal cover on the collar, and the crossbolt.

Earliest takedown collar on the right, transition(?) in middle, and later collar on the left.

If at first you don't succeed, try try try again.

... Monday morning after a long weekend.

It's also possibly one of the first with the metal faceplate on the collar.. so maybe just working out the kinks?

If anybody else has takedowns from SN 193xxx to 197xxx, might be interesting to look closer at the takedown collar. I don't have any.

I have one just like it, but not in the serial # range you mention. Mine is on a Model 1899 H in .22 HP, ser. no. 122XXX. This rifle letters as being returned to Savage for unspecified work on factory job #18088 with no date given. This rifle has the complete serial # followed by an "R" stamped on the bottom of the barrel in very small font. The serial # followed by an "R" is also stamped on the web of the lever. Finally, the top of the receiver is stamped "Savage/Model 99". Thus, my assumption has been that the rifle was returned to Savage sometime after 1925 and the fore end was modified then.

The screws that hold the metal piece on are 1 1/2 inches long. Had the horizontal holes been used, the screws would hit the cross bolt, thus the vertical screws. But that begs the question, why drill the two horizontal holes?

The 1912 style fore arm had the serial number stamped on the end. In order to make the modification the end of the fore arm would have to be cut off to allow for the thickness of the added metal plate. There is no serial number on my fore arm.

While typing I had another thought. What if the fore arm wood is a replacement? A post-1925 forearm might already have the two horizontal holes in it. Then to make the modification while reusing the original metal and cross bolt, the vertical screws would be required.

It would be interesting to know if #194450 was returned to Savage at some point.

A post-1925 forearm could also have the wood already cut short for the metal endcap, requiring fitting of a metal insert. If they simply reused the metal collar with crossbolt on the original forearm there'd be no need to fit the metal endcap at all.

Interesting.

Here is the one off of my 1907.

Yeah, that's a pretty takedown. That's the standard early takedown collar/end of forearm, up to 1919.

Rory can you post that possible explanation i sent you on the PM save me from wrighting it all over again , i dont copy and paste.

Norm

That's a new one alright. Questions remain.
It appears that the top "ear" of the end plate may interfere with the barrel channel. Maybe not, but the "normal" end caps have a contour to match the barrel bottom.

Beyond that, a sample of 1 just isn't enough to declare anything really.
Transition, utilizing existing inventory, repair of a mistake, etc,.
The cross bolt with end cap screws seems redundant.

Will be interesting to see if other forearms like that show up.

Actually it's a sample of two - Norm's rifle and mine.

And, in my opinion, my rifle nullifies the "transition" theory.

Yes. Went back and re-read your previous comment.
Rework, repair, reuse for whatever reason(s) seem viable.
A Savage thang....

My thoughts exactly.

Norm