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Did you know cask conditioning is a “ live” brew.

Every morning most pubs “ pull” off the settled yeast from the casks.

There was a chain of pubs that sold pints from short dated casks at a discount.

Like the band ly nerd skinnerd, it was named after a teacher that told the owners of the pubs they would fail in life. ( I can’t recall it’s name)

There also was a lobby group in Britain CAMRA…..Campaign for real ale……that made it law not to short the pints served with too much foam. That’s why there are marks on British pint 🍺 glasses.

I do know it's live. I'm reasonably well informed on the subject of beer.

It is, unless you're practicing mistakes. Not sayin you specifically are......just sayin'.

three more. I think nitrocheme is supplier to reloader swiss retail


nitrocheme ---Alliant - Reload Swiss


Nitrocheme – 145 == RL-17 - reload swiss 60
Nitrocheme – 170 == RL-33
Nitrocheme – 155 == RL-26

I started in 1972. Now that I’ve got the basics down, I would like to move on to some really cool stuff!

It was about 1989 when I went down that rabbit hole.

Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X Terminator.
I think. Data is exactly the same.
F01

I started in 1966, loading 45 ACP. Friend's dad had a 1911 AND a genuine "Chicago Typewriter". He'd let us shoot them (with adult supervision), but we had to provide our own ammo, so he taught us how to reload. Sometimes one of our dads would take us to buy components at a couple of LGS's, but other times we rode our bicycles. Imagine 11 and 12 y/o kids doing that today. We usually did our reloading on Friday nights, and my friend and I would load for hours, sometimes all night, on a Rockchucker. The sizer was a standard non-carbide, so it took a lot of time cleaning lube off the brass with old rags. Then on the appointed Saturday, one or both of our dads would take us somewhere (often our farm) where we'd shoot it all up in a couple of hours. Then we'd go home and clean them thoroughly. We burned a lot of HP-38, Unique, and Bullseye through those two weapons.

Our parents didn't give us money to buy components with, we had to earn it ourselves. Both of us had multiple side-jobs, besides normal chores. Bought my own tools in 1969.

Was going to post this cautionary story anyway John, but it's so germane to your post above I'll just put it here.
Back before Covid, I bought a pound of IMR 4451, found it to be everything you were saying it was, so followed up with an 8# jug. Just recently did some load work for a friend using .243W Nosler brass, the 95 gr BT, and your load from the "Little Book" of 42 gr 4451, which gave just under 3100 FPS from the 1 pound lot. Used up the last of the 1# in the process and had to go to the 8#. Did a little rework up ladder with the new lot to the old 42 grain charge. Was stunned to see only 2900 FPS with the new lot from the 8# jug. That's by far the biggest lot-to-lot variation (200 FPS, with everything else about the loads identical) I've ever encountered. One more data point to always back off and re-check charges when going to a new lot of even the SAME powder, much less the substitutions being described in this thread - this happened to get slower, but it could just as easily been on the faster side and dangerous.

Cheers,
Rex

It's important to note that while W760, H414 and Accurate 2700 are the same powders now, that's not the case with the older stuff. They were very close in burn rate but physically quite different. For a time before it was dc'd, H414 was 760. I think Hodgden made a marketing fumble by dc'ing the H414 moniker.

Good shootin'

In January of 2023, I questioned Hodgdon if these were the same powder.
They replied they were made in different plants.
Some applications they are identical in performance, such as the 223. Some applications slight differences begin to show up. They named the 338 Federal as an example of where that happens.

As noted earlier I also started on 1966--but was the first handloader in the family. A next-door neighbor (and good friend and co-worker of my father) handloaded, but he basically did it to save money. The only rifle round he loaded was the .30-06, for his "sporterized" 1903-A3 Springfield.

I bought a "war surplus" Mosin-Nagant rifle for $10 and he helped me sporterize it, but I had to order a Lee Loader (the hand tool) and Norma brass from a local store, the Powder Horn in Bozeman, Montana--where I was born and raised. It was also only three blocks from our house, which was handy. Also bought my first bullets, powders and primers from the Powder Horn, but my first two loading manuals.--both of which I still have. The first was the Speer #6, which I bought without checking whether it included the 7.62 "Russian." It did not, which is why I have a Lyman manual from the same year.

Not long afterward bought a Marlin bolt-action 20-gauge, and also used a Lee Loader for it, which worked well.

Paid for all of it with my paper-route money.....

This ^^

kwg

At one time, that was also the case with MRP & RL-22.

And I still have both powders from that vintage.

MRP was darker, fully cylindrical kernels while '22 was flatter, more irregular & lighter in color.

But then, as now, I loaded their charge weights interchangeably, at least in 270, 280, 3006 & 338's.

MM

Curious, I thought that 3100 when it came out was the same as 4831. True? Or not?
Military surplus 4831

And as I noted in an earlier post, a few years ago my batches of MRP and RL-22 appeared identical--and produced the same velocities in all my tests. Which is why I eventually mixed 'em....

I'll mention this again, I used a clearance powder that was "2 grains faster than 4350" . Each lot # was different . I would workup and when I hit my rifle's happy velocity, I had my new load.

I try to learn from everyone I ever worked with. Sometimes the guy who has been doing it for 30 years methods aren't as good as the guy who just started six months ago.

Yep, partly because those who started 30+ years ago "learned" things that weren't true--one good example being "pressure signs."

> another WOW !!!! been loading and reloading since 1979 , still learning and 24 hr. Campfire has help some too . training wheels ? bring your rifle over i will show you just how an old blue collared worker can shoot his blue collared rifle with my simple blue collared handloads shoot and i will do it with just an old Ruger #1 too.



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