I have all the necessary permits and will going through my FFL.
The issue is, I want to use my son’s Credit Card to make the online purchase.
Everything will be in my name except the CC, is this considered a Straw?
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I would not think so. the procedure for buying a gun for a gift to follow proper government protocol is the receiver of the gift must fill 4473 and I'm not sure it makes any difference who pays for it. at least that's what I've been told and what we've actually done in buying a gift for someone but we did pay with cash not a credit card..
pretty much the same way with raffles I've been involved with giving away a gun somebody that's running the raffle you could say or a member of a fire board or FFA group whatever generally buys the gun so everybody can see what they may win and then the winner has to go back to the FFL dealer and fill out the yellow sheet to take possession of the gun. at least that's how it's always been done and things I've been involved in.
Form 4473, which you will fill out every time you purchase a gun from a dealer, asks with very specific language, “Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm listed on this form?” This means you can purchase a gun you’re giving as a gift to another person (as long as they’re not prohibited from owning it), but you cannot purchase a gun on another person’s behalf, even if they can legally own it.
For example, if a buddy were to approach you and say “Hey, my brother really wants a 20-gauge for duck hunting. I don’t know anything about guns. Can I just give you $500 and you go buy one you think he’ll like?” If you say yes to this plan, because money is involved, you are buying a gun on behalf of someone else. Even if your friend and his brother are legally allowed to own the gun, this purchase is illegal. Don’t do it.
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You can buy a gun and gift it to a friend or family member, provided you follow the legal requirements for transferring a gun to another private party. Some states require that transfer to go through a Federal Firearms License (FFL) dealer for a background check; in other states, private individuals are free to buy and sell guns to each other without this step. You need to know the laws in your state. If a background check is required where you live, you can wrap up the gun and let the recipient open it, but you’ll need to actually retain possession of it yourself until you can accompany him or her to an FFL dealer to make a legal transfer.
If you are gifting a gun you already own, maybe a family heirloom, all you have to do is make sure the recipient is legally allowed to own the gun and make sure you follow the private transfer laws in your state.
Notice - zero mention of how the firearm is paid for. Some might say the CC example applies but not really, you're using someone else's money to buy it for you, not them.
. What, are you broke ? Use your own card. Why draw unwanted attention to your purchase ?
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To a 2024 DC .gov ATF agent, if you are a Trump supporter, then you must be prosecuted. Even if the ATF loses, they would have created you enough aggravation, and cost you enough in legal costs, to make it worth it to them.
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I tried to order a rifle a few years ago using my dad’s credit card and the company wouldn’t allow me to do it. So like it was said in the post above probably depends on the company’s policy.
NO! It’s for you, you are ordering it and you are doing the paperwork which is all the ATF cares about. I asked the same question years back and the ATF chick said and I quote, “the ATF doesn’t care if you give the guns away for free, only that the paperwork and NICS check is done properly”.
Straw purchase is one that seeks to hide who the end user is through having a non-prohibited person doing the paperwork only to give it to a prohibited person upon getting a proceed. Gifting a firearm to a non-prohibited person is ok according to the ATF. Having your friend, son, spouse, etc buy you a firearm but you doing the paperwork and NICS check since you are the one that will own it is perfectly legal.
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I would not think so. the procedure for buying a gun for a gift to follow proper government protocol is the receiver of the gift must fill 4473 and I'm not sure it makes any difference who pays for it. at least that's what I've been told and what we've actually done in buying a gift for someone but we did pay with cash not a credit card..
pretty much the same way with raffles I've been involved with giving away a gun somebody that's running the raffle you could say or a member of a fire board or FFA group whatever generally buys the gun so everybody can see what they may win and then the winner has to go back to the FFL dealer and fill out the yellow sheet to take possession of the gun. at least that's how it's always been done and things I've been involved in.
Not true, by federal law.
Once you legally take possession of a firearm. You may GIFT it to any non prohibited person or resell it. By federal law. I would not dream of guessing what restrictions the communist states have added to that.
It becomes a straw purchase when you use another's funds to purchase a gun he/she would be prohibited to purchase, to put it simply.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
NO! It’s for you, you are ordering it and you are doing the paperwork which is all the ATF cares about. I asked the same question years back and the ATF chick said and I quote, “the ATF doesn’t care if you give the guns away for free, only that the paperwork and NICS check is done properly”.
Straw purchase is one that seeks to hide who the end user is through having a non-prohibited person doing the paperwork only to give it to a prohibited person upon getting a proceed. Gifting a firearm to a non-prohibited person is ok according to the ATF. Having your friend, son, spouse, etc buy you a firearm but you doing the paperwork and NICS check since you are the one that will own it is perfectly legal.
Did that 3 times for gift to my wife she did the background and I paid with my CC no questions asked. And no it was not a straw purchase.
NO! It’s for you, you are ordering it and you are doing the paperwork which is all the ATF cares about. I asked the same question years back and the ATF chick said and I quote, “the ATF doesn’t care if you give the guns away for free, only that the paperwork and NICS check is done properly”.
Straw purchase is one that seeks to hide who the end user is through having a non-prohibited person doing the paperwork only to give it to a prohibited person upon getting a proceed. Gifting a firearm to a non-prohibited person is ok according to the ATF. Having your friend, son, spouse, etc buy you a firearm but you doing the paperwork and NICS check since you are the one that will own it is perfectly legal.
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I tried to pay for a rifle for a friend as a gift. We went to Cabelas, where I have bought several guns. He picked out a rifle and I pulled out my card saying it was on me. Guy behind the counter yelled “that’s a straw purchase!” and brought the manager over. I offered to do a background check as well. I even offered to buy his gun and one for myself, and they refused. Told us to leave.
I tried to pay for a rifle for a friend as a gift. We went to Cabelas, where I have bought several guns. He picked out a rifle and I pulled out my card saying it was on me. Guy behind the counter yelled “that’s a straw purchase!” and brought the manager over. I offered to do a background check as well. I even offered to buy his gun and one for myself, and they refused. Told us to leave.
What state was that in? Here in Louisiana no problem at Academy Sports or Herberts gun shop.
Several years ago I witnessed what I believe was a real 'Straw Purchase" of a hand gun happening at a local pawn shop. Young "ethnic" teen age male had brought an elderly man (also ethnic and clearly a chronic wino) in order to purchase a semi-auto hand gun for him. When the store clerk asked the elderly man which hand gun among the several displayed inside glass case the elderly man looked to the young guy who brought him for a prompt as to which gun he wanted. The young guy then subtly tried to half-way point at the specific gun he wanted.
I tried to pay for a rifle for a friend as a gift. We went to Cabelas, where I have bought several guns. He picked out a rifle and I pulled out my card saying it was on me. Guy behind the counter yelled “that’s a straw purchase!” and brought the manager over. I offered to do a background check as well. I even offered to buy his gun and one for myself, and they refused. Told us to leave.
What state was that in? Here in Louisiana no problem at Academy Sports or Herberts gun shop.
I tried to pay for a rifle for a friend as a gift. We went to Cabelas, where I have bought several guns. He picked out a rifle and I pulled out my card saying it was on me. Guy behind the counter yelled “that’s a straw purchase!” and brought the manager over. I offered to do a background check as well. I even offered to buy his gun and one for myself, and they refused. Told us to leave.
bout a dozen yrs back, my brother and i stopped at Gander Mountain... i was checking out the used rack when my bro yells from the gun counter "get over here"... there was a new Model 70 Super Grade 30-06 with a stock that belonged on a Magazine cover... i had all but given up ever finding one like that, had to have it... i only had $600 or so on me, so my bro sez i'l cover the rest... pissy jackoff behind the counter says "No Way, ain't you ever heard of a Straw Purchase!"... baffled, i said we'll both do a background check if need be... he got all the pissier!... so i said i don't want it and left the store... bro stayed behind and made the purchase with his CC.. last dime we ever spent at Gander...
Several points in error in different posts: first, a straw purchase has nothing to do with the legality of the eventual owner. This was proven by the Glock purchased by a nephew/uncle relationship trying to get a LEO discount. Both could pass the background check but one bought the gun for the other using money given to him for the purchase. Felonies for both..
Anybody can gift anybody a firearm and the giver cannot run a background without an FFL so the onus of proving someone is eligible is not on the giver...
Very well put!
Originally Posted by Cheesy
A straw purchase and a scared store policy are not the same thing.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
How do you interpret: are you the actual purchaser?
I wouldn’t become a case law study, but that’s just me. That and you got to remember you life in MN.
Now I’ll throw this out there. The GF applied for a Sportsman’s warehouse credit card and received it.. We were in the checkout and she asked the clerk about if he (me) bought a gun, could he use her card so that she could get the points or whatever.
They basically frowned upon that idea. Weather or not that was store policy or it was the clerk, idk, but error on the side of caution.
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I would not think so. the procedure for buying a gun for a gift to follow proper government protocol is the receiver of the gift must fill 4473 and I'm not sure it makes any difference who pays for it. at least that's what I've been told and what we've actually done in buying a gift for someone but we did pay with cash not a credit card..
pretty much the same way with raffles I've been involved with giving away a gun somebody that's running the raffle you could say or a member of a fire board or FFA group whatever generally buys the gun so everybody can see what they may win and then the winner has to go back to the FFL dealer and fill out the yellow sheet to take possession of the gun. at least that's how it's always been done and things I've been involved in.
Not true, by federal law.
Once you legally take possession of a firearm. You may GIFT it to any non prohibited person or resell it. By federal law. I would not dream of guessing what restrictions the communist states have added to that.
It becomes a straw purchase when you use another's funds to purchase a gun he/she would be prohibited to purchase, to put it simply.
what parts not true?.. that is the exact reason like a raffle winner has to go to the FFL to pick up the gun to run a background check to make sure they are not prohibited by the way that covers a raffle committee's ass that they did not award a gun to somebody that was prohibited.
Several points in error in different posts: first, a straw purchase has nothing to do with the legality of the eventual owner. This was proven by the Glock purchased by a nephew/uncle relationship trying to get a LEO discount. Both could pass the background check but one bought the gun for the other using money given to him for the purchase. Felonies for both..
Anybody can gift anybody a firearm and the giver cannot run a background without an FFL so the onus of proving someone is eligible is not on the giver...
Very well put!'
Originally Posted by Cheesy
A straw purchase and a scared store policy are not the same thing.
Oh, i get it now!... if a friend or relative gives you cash within eyesight of the salesman, that's a Felony!... but if they gave you cash in private or you found it lying on the men's room floor, that's Fine!... LOL
I tried to pay for a rifle for a friend as a gift. We went to Cabelas, where I have bought several guns. He picked out a rifle and I pulled out my card saying it was on me. Guy behind the counter yelled “that’s a straw purchase!” and brought the manager over. I offered to do a background check as well. I even offered to buy his gun and one for myself, and they refused. Told us to leave.
Had the same thing happen. It was a mom and pop shop and daddy was trying to retire. Dad was a good guy but he put jr in charge who, being handed the shop and not having to work for it, was a cocky little guy who yelled “straw purchase” as I was trying to pay for a buddies Marlin 45-70 and then grabbed me by the arm. My friend grabbed him by the shirt collar and pulled him across the counter before he knew what happened. We laid the rifle against the counter and walked away before sheit went any further.
I would not think so. the procedure for buying a gun for a gift to follow proper government protocol is the receiver of the gift must fill 4473 and I'm not sure it makes any difference who pays for it. at least that's what I've been told and what we've actually done in buying a gift for someone but we did pay with cash not a credit card..
pretty much the same way with raffles I've been involved with giving away a gun somebody that's running the raffle you could say or a member of a fire board or FFA group whatever generally buys the gun so everybody can see what they may win and then the winner has to go back to the FFL dealer and fill out the yellow sheet to take possession of the gun. at least that's how it's always been done and things I've been involved in.
Not true, by federal law.
Once you legally take possession of a firearm. You may GIFT it to any non prohibited person or resell it. By federal law. I would not dream of guessing what restrictions the communist states have added to that.
It becomes a straw purchase when you use another's funds to purchase a gun he/she would be prohibited to purchase, to put it simply.
what parts not true?.. that is the exact reason like a raffle winner has to go to the FFL to pick up the gun to run a background check to make sure they are not prohibited by the way that covers a raffle committee's ass that they did not award a gun to somebody that was prohibited.
This is the part that is not true. [quote]The procedure for buying a gun for a gift to follow proper government protocol is the receiver of the gift must fill 4473.
It is perfectly legal, by federal law, for me to purchase any firearm and then gift it or sell it afterward. I have taken my grandkids to the gun store on three separate occasions and bougt guns for them. And I have purchased a rifle because it was an extraordinary deal, then subsequently passed that deal on to a friend for his son. And there was a Wea Vangaurd deluxe in 243. I brought it home, set it up with a Leopold VX2 3-9x40 in Tally lw mounts. Then I sighted it in, and loaded 100 rounds with 95 gr ballistic tips, then left it all at my Dentist's office in exchange for a molar crown. (note: in case of grand kids, their parents take responsibility and actual possession of the firearm until the child's 18'th birthday, or until the parent decides the child exhibits the maturity level to take the gun, whichever comes last.)
In every case I was the actual recipient of the gun. I did the 4473, and it was entirely legal.
Now, what they do in the case of a raffle or other promotional exchange, I do not know. I have never been involved in any such exchange. But, it is well known that many people and businesses take precautions that go far beyond the requirements of the law. And many states impose registration requirement far beyond anything presently required by the feds.
My state is not one of those.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
Several points in error in different posts: first, a straw purchase has nothing to do with the legality of the eventual owner. This was proven by the Glock purchased by a nephew/uncle relationship trying to get a LEO discount. Both could pass the background check but one bought the gun for the other using money given to him for the purchase. Felonies for both..
Anybody can gift anybody a firearm and the giver cannot run a background without an FFL so the onus of proving someone is eligible is not on the giver...
Very well put!'
Originally Posted by Cheesy
A straw purchase and a scared store policy are not the same thing.
Oh, i get it now!... if a friend or relative gives you cash within eyesight of the salesman, that's a Felony!... but if they gave you cash in private or you found it lying on the men's room floor, that's Fine!... LOL
No, actually not... the infamous Uncle-Glock nightmare was not seen, just proven after the fact.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
No, actually not... the infamous Uncle-Glock nightmare was not seen, just proven after the fact.
Was there not something about nephew/cop being investigated for bank robbery when the feds discovered a check from Uncle which predated the purchase of the Glock?
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
It is at Bass Pro or Cabelas. The CC you pay with must have your name on it, not your wife's or anyone elses
Bass Pro/Cabelas is pretty over the top in regards to firearms transfers the last few years. Since ATF has started yanking FFLs for uncrossed "t"s and undotted "i"s. As are many national retailers of firearms.
My last two purchases from Cabelas were PIAs. It took about forty five minutes to get three different people to review and approve my 4473, while the NICS from Idaho took a whole five minutes.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
No, actually not... the infamous Uncle-Glock nightmare was not seen, just proven after the fact.
Was there not something about nephew/cop being investigated for bank robbery when the feds discovered a check from Uncle which predated the purchase of the Glock?
Not that I recall...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
Ah, here it is. Discussion of the bank robbery investigation, which was grounds for search where evidence of straw purchase was discovered. This information is quite a ways down in the article. It will not let me c/p.
The length of the supposed "answers" is all the proof one needs to prove the gun lobby is its own worst enemy. There is one correct answer to the OP's query. Two letters.
NO.
America is (supposed to be) a Republic, NOT a democracy. Learn the difference, help end the lie. Fear a government that fears your guns.
Ah, here it is. Discussion of the bank robbery investigation, which was grounds for search where evidence of straw purchase was discovered. This information is quite a ways down in the article. It will not let me c/p.
No lawyer here...but I would say NO...it is not a straw purchase.
However, it may be a straw purchase for your son. I have ordered firearms online before. The item is sent to the person who purchases it. If your son purhcases it - and you do the paperwork - it may draw flags - because the name of the person who purchased it is different from the name of the person who fills out the ATF form and takes possession of it.
Given that you have to have a permit to purchase an AR in your state - I would be diligent NOT to draw attention to myself or my son.
Late to the party... If I were considering doing something that I thought may or MAY NOT be legit, last thing I would do is broadcast it on the Internet... JMO... YMMV...
To a 2024 DC .gov ATF agent, if you are a Trump supporter, then you must be prosecuted. Even if the ATF loses, they would have created you enough aggravation, and cost you enough in legal costs, to make it worth it to them.
The process is the punishment.
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