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Interesting definition of "fact". If putting players in the NFL is the ultimate measuring stick, then the ACC must be tops since the #1 and #2 teams in terms of NFL players are ACC teams. In fact even Ohio State has more current NFL players than the top SEC team.

The Big Can't Count's horrificly tough bowl matchups:

Purdue eeks by mighty Cent. Mich. 51-48

BC beats Mich St. 24-21

PSU beats a 7-5 TA&M that just fired their HC 24-17

Okie State beats up on Indiana 49-33

Tenn handles Wisc in a good matchup 21-17

Mich. sends out Carr by beating "a good Gator team that ended with 4 losses" in a game that really wasn't as close as the score indicates. 41-35

USC embarasses the Big Ten by thrashing their Rose Bowl opponent Illinois 49-17

LSU whips the living $hit out of the Big Ten champ tOSU 38-24

True to Big Ten form...in the "bigger games" against ranked opponents...they were 1-4. 3-5 overall.

I said, TOP TO BOTTOM, meaing every team included....learn how to read.

Thats and interesting "twist of facts"...the SEC, by a wide margin, has more NFL players than any conference.

You have to be talking about bowl schedules only. The schedules each Big 10 team played was pathetic at best.

The Southeastern Conference had 263 players on the 2007 National Football League opening day active rosters, which led all conferences.

The Atlantic Coast Conference was second with 238 players, followed by the Big Ten with 234 players, Pac-10 with 183 players, Big 12 with 176 players and the Big East with 84 players.

Among SEC schools, Georgia was first with 37 former players on NFL rosters, followed by Tennessee with 36, LSU with 33, Florida with 31 and Auburn with 30. Alabama had 21 players on NFL rosters, while South Carolina had 19, Ole Miss and Mississippi State had 17 each, Arkansas had 12, Kentucky six and Vanderbilt with five.

The SEC had five of its schools with 30-or-more-players on NFL rosters. No other conference had two.

Nationally, Miami (Fla.) leads with 46 former players on NFL rosters, followed by Ohio State with 44, Florida State with 41, Tennessee with 36 and Georgia with 35.

The lists do not include players who were not on opening day rosters and since been activated

No twist. He specified a team (Georgia) as an example and made an example of the bottom 6 teams in the Big ten having none. His post inferred that the number of players by SEC's teams in the NFL caused them to be superior. The Sec has more teams then some conference so an overall player count isn't comparing apples to apples is it?

Just pointing out that "facts" can be spun any way you want them and that pointing to players in the NFL doesn't necessary prove SEC teams are the best of they can't even win the top 3 spots in said category. If you take off the SEC homer glasses, you'd see you guys are as bad as the Big Ten guys at BS.

Worse... at least I try to be fair. :p

Will

USC won 2 NC's in the last 10 years??? WTF are you smoking

Furthermore, if one looks at the number Violater just posted. The per team players for the SEC, in the NFL works out to 21.91 per team while the Big Ten placed 21.27 players in the NFL.

And that qualifies as a wide margin in Alabama? You did realize the SEC has more teams than the Big Ten right? You don't really think that 263 players from 12 teams is significantly more than 234 players from 11 teams do you?

See how easy statistics can be molded to ones usage?

Everyone knows I'm a Big 10 guy, but, i have to put it where it is at, even with the more teams in the conference, the percentages are actually pretty close. Les

some statistics are pretty simple, like 38-24.

Like 7-2, versus 3-5 bowl records.

Like 5 of the top 15 are SEC schools, including both number one and number two.


You can argue history all you want, but this year, it ain't close.

Might want to look shyt up before you look foolish.

2003 was a split National Title. LSU won the Coaches, USC won the AP.

Just like Michigan/Nebraska in 1997, Miami/Washington in 1991 and Georgia Tech/Colorado in 1990, USC/Alabama in 1978.

USC then won in 2004 as well. That's two.

USC has 1 NC, earned in 2004. And didn't Bama win the NC in '92? That would make at least two NC for the SEC in that 10 year time frame. (Florida in '96)

Yeah, that's the loser whine story.....The BCS is the national championship, the teams participate on that basis.

Mr. Penguin, which schedule are you repeatedly referring to? Bowl or season schedule?

Wrong. LSU won the BCS, not just the coaches poll. USC got a share of it, but not the real deal. Since '98, the crystal BCS trophy is what matters. 10 years, 10 trophies, 10 national champions.

which, of course is exactly what the pretenders would be saying if they had won it......its a loser whine

There's no spinning of "fact". You highlighted this:

Then attempted to cherry pick some 2 or three teams with more NFL players than any one SEC team with this nugget:


The ACC teams you speak of are FSU and Miami. tOSU has traditionally been the lead in talent in the Big 10 for many years...and if not the lead, then one of the top 2, maybe 3 on a bad year.

Like Les posted...5 SEC teams with 30 or more former players on NFL rosters where no other conference had more than 2...that AGAIN speaks to the DEPTH of talent in the SEC. On any given year, tOSU, Mich, Texas, Oklahoma, and USC may be the best team in the nation...NONE will have to play against equal talent more than one game a year...MAYBE 2. The trend here is to cherry pick a game or team to illustrate you Big Ten pimp's points. I concede that on any given year the best team in the land may not be an SEC team. Top to bottom, every year, the most talented, the most wins over ranked teams, the most hard fought schedule to win a conference title, and compete for a BCS title will be played by SEC teams. As of last night, one more measure of the SEC grew. What to Phil Fulmer, Spurrier, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Les Miles have in common? They are 5...count them 5 active SEC HC's who have won national titles. No other conference has more than 2 if IIRC. And Tuberville isn't even in that list though he went undefeated in 2004. If UGA plays like it should next year Richt may make it 6.

Its all in fun boys!

For the 2003 Seaon LSU won the BCS Championship game, yet ther API voted USC #1. The BCS I believe has been the Main Championship the last 10 years....And LSU is the first team to win it twice and that is fact...