24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,856
Likes: 5
S
SBTCO Offline OP
Campfire Tracker
OP Offline
Campfire Tracker
S
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,856
Likes: 5
Interesting video. Worth a watch.




“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”
― G. Orwell

"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?"
_Eileen Clarke


"Unjust authority confers no obligation of obedience."
- Alexander Hamilton



Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 44,455
Likes: 9
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 44,455
Likes: 9
People here criticize me for using the word "commies". Watch the last statements erik prince makes.


Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.

Rehabilitation is way overrated.

Orwell wasn't wrong.

GOA member
disappointed NRA member

24HCF SEARCH
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 9,387
L
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
L
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 9,387
Eric Prince is always worth listening to. Thanks for posting.


mike r


Don't wish it were easier
Wish you were better

Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
Craig Douglas ECQC
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 5,274
Likes: 12
Campfire Tracker
Online Content
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 5,274
Likes: 12
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,139
Likes: 24
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,139
Likes: 24
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.


And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.


Me



IC B2

Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 9,641
Likes: 2
G
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
G
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 9,641
Likes: 2
Rural people are the outliers of folks not being controlled. Any city is controlled to a certain point.

Rural is another life. Urban folks know it as does the government. The mindset alone is much different.

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 16,089
G
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
G
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 16,089
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
This man might be onto something!

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 24,452
Likes: 11
O
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
O
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 24,452
Likes: 11
SBTCO , good video thx for posting.

Last Friday I listened to Charlie Kirk Podcast- he was quoting Chinese Generals words about their plan to destroy the entire West. USA/Canada/Europe/Australia/NZ/++ by any means possible.
They have hordes of spies in this country- the Fentanyl and other street drugs that are killing people is planned. Charlie stated the number of deaths around the world- tens of thousands, I forget the number.
The Chinese Communist have no plan to lift their citizens up and enjoy the wealth of being the worlds largest manufacturer of goods. According to their top military people- world domination is their plan.
It was a great podcast .


PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!


Posted by Bristoe
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 10,174
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 10,174
Originally Posted by gregintenn
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
This man might be onto something!

Yep, very well said.

If it ever comes to that. The pink haired fairies and other leftist useful idiots will be used to drive the popular support needed to pass the legislation but they won’t be the ones conducting the raids. They’ll be the political cover to “justify” what the gov does.

Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 23,686
Likes: 1
J
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
J
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 23,686
Likes: 1
The revolution will be televised.



IC B3

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 17,230
Likes: 2
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 17,230
Likes: 2
Originally Posted by jackmountain
The revolution will be televised.

"Will Dick finally get down with Jane on Search for Tomorrow"?



Originally Posted by jorgeI
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 6,312
Likes: 1
S
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
S
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 6,312
Likes: 1
Watch “The Dark Knight” for an idea of what urban would look like.


NRA Life Member
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,856
Likes: 5
S
SBTCO Offline OP
Campfire Tracker
OP Offline
Campfire Tracker
S
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,856
Likes: 5
With the way guv/fuds spend money we don't have, the economic downslide we are going to experience will be severe enough that the cities will keep the feds too busy to have any real national presence in the hinterlands. They'll make laws and go after individuals in flyover country but with the invasion of millions of illegals into most of the metro areas competing with lower middle class/welfare poor, fighting with existing gangs and pushing them out, chicom insurgents doing who knows what, the violence and chaos will be a veritable smorgasbord of fun.

Do the math, there are roughly 450 cities in the US with a pop. of 50k and up (and on the up side, millions in numerous cities) . How many leo and mil. personal would it take to have some semblance of control over a city of 50kthat is falling apart , let alone a city the size of L.A. . There have already been threats of trucker bans entering NYC. as just one example. No way worker bees coming back to the hive when the hive is trying to kill you, which in many instances has already started.

There doesn't have to be a "civil war", its already a mess, and going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but I think the odds are in favor of those outside the urban areas.


“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”
― G. Orwell

"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?"
_Eileen Clarke


"Unjust authority confers no obligation of obedience."
- Alexander Hamilton


Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,139
Likes: 24
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,139
Likes: 24
Originally Posted by SBTCO
With the way guv/fuds spend money we don't have, the economic downslide we are going to experience will be severe enough that the cities will keep the feds too busy to have any real national presence in the hinterlands. They'll make laws and go after individuals in flyover country but with the invasion of millions of illegals into most of the metro areas competing with lower middle class/welfare poor, fighting with existing gangs and pushing them out, chicom insurgents doing who knows what, the violence and chaos will be a veritable smorgasbord of fun.

Do the math, there are roughly 450 cities in the US with a pop. of 50k and up (and on the up side, millions in numerous cities) . How many leo and mil. personal would it take to have some semblance of control over a city of 50kthat is falling apart , let alone a city the size of L.A. . There have already been threats of trucker bans entering NYC. as just one example. No way worker bees coming back to the hive when the hive is trying to kill you, which in many instances has already started.

There doesn't have to be a "civil war", its already a mess, and going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but I think the odds are in favor of those outside the urban areas.

IIRC - there's essentially 1 active duty military person for every 3 square miles of the US. There are also a lot of crew served weapons that actually makes the math worse than that. I also saw someone on youtube do the math - if the US had EVERY M1 Abrams it owns in CONUS and they were ALL up and available (never happen) and ready to go - that's 1 Abrams for every 750 square miles of the US. Doesn't even consider getting beans and bullets to them. Our military is essentially built/staffed and designed for small country warfare on other continents and not continental warfare here without allies or protected supply chain/production like we saw in WWII. That's not going to exist in a US Civil War 2.0

Prior to the Civil War, the average American had almost zero interaction with the federal government, very little with state and mostly dealt with local governments. Should the US descend into the big economic mess - I'd expect rural Americans to go back to that basic form of interaction for the most part.

Sure there will be urban exodus - but that's where the .gov will focus their efforts. Some may get out, many won't. Those already in rural America will bug in mostly. Get their supply chain uber local, go back to the things that kept them going in the Depression. Gardens, barter and a small network of community family/friends to keep going.


Me



Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,856
Likes: 5
S
SBTCO Offline OP
Campfire Tracker
OP Offline
Campfire Tracker
S
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,856
Likes: 5
Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by SBTCO
With the way guv/fuds spend money we don't have, the economic downslide we are going to experience will be severe enough that the cities will keep the feds too busy to have any real national presence in the hinterlands. They'll make laws and go after individuals in flyover country but with the invasion of millions of illegals into most of the metro areas competing with lower middle class/welfare poor, fighting with existing gangs and pushing them out, chicom insurgents doing who knows what, the violence and chaos will be a veritable smorgasbord of fun.

Do the math, there are roughly 450 cities in the US with a pop. of 50k and up (and on the up side, millions in numerous cities) . How many leo and mil. personal would it take to have some semblance of control over a city of 50kthat is falling apart , let alone a city the size of L.A. . There have already been threats of trucker bans entering NYC. as just one example. No way worker bees coming back to the hive when the hive is trying to kill you, which in many instances has already started.

There doesn't have to be a "civil war", its already a mess, and going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but I think the odds are in favor of those outside the urban areas.

IIRC - there's essentially 1 active duty military person for every 3 square miles of the US. There are also a lot of crew served weapons that actually makes the math worse than that. I also saw someone on youtube do the math - if the US had EVERY M1 Abrams it owns in CONUS and they were ALL up and available (never happen) and ready to go - that's 1 Abrams for every 750 square miles of the US. Doesn't even consider getting beans and bullets to them. Our military is essentially built/staffed and designed for small country warfare on other continents and not continental warfare here without allies or protected supply chain/production like we saw in WWII. That's not going to exist in a US Civil War 2.0

Prior to the Civil War, the average American had almost zero interaction with the federal government, very little with state and mostly dealt with local governments. Should the US descend into the big economic mess - I'd expect rural Americans to go back to that basic form of interaction for the most part.

Sure there will be urban exodus - but that's where the .gov will focus their efforts. Some may get out, many won't. Those already in rural America will bug in mostly. Get their supply chain uber local, go back to the things that kept them going in the Depression. Gardens, barter and a small network of community family/friends to keep going.

That's pretty much the way I see it as well. Regardless of modernization and interconnectedness, we live in a big country and every little town and county you move through has the potential for running a gauntlet of rather surly "locals" if things get ugly. We are all Americans but since the dem/rino's have created this political divide over the last few decades, they've also created a Balkanization of sorts across the country. Outsider will be recognized quickly when entering new areas and if you're a gringo, you better be on the right side of things and have something beneficial to offer to the community or off to the ant hill for you.


“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”
― G. Orwell

"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?"
_Eileen Clarke


"Unjust authority confers no obligation of obedience."
- Alexander Hamilton


Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 21,807
Likes: 8
C
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
C
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 21,807
Likes: 8
Urban infrastructure is... and always has been very fragile.

The fundamental dependence on so many critical services... utilities etc. is an overwhelming precept to my way of thinking.

A failed sewer main/treatment plant... and an entire zone go to chit.

Electric or gas disruption... water.

Road... bridges... food... medical... police...

House of cards...


If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.



Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 3,985
Likes: 2
R
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
R
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 3,985
Likes: 2
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
I’ve wondered about this. All the king’s men couldn’t defeat a bunch of illiterate Muslim hillbillies in 20 years, but their resolve would probably be doubled against real Americans.


"I was born in the log cabin I helped my grandfather build"
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 3,847
Likes: 1
B
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
B
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 3,847
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.


And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.

Not for long. If the military goes with the regime, and I don't see how it doesn't, it will be a very short war.

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,139
Likes: 24
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,139
Likes: 24
Originally Posted by ruffcutt
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.
I’ve wondered about this. All the king’s men couldn’t defeat a bunch of illiterate Muslim hillbillies in 20 years, but their resolve would probably be doubled against real Americans.

I would contend that militarily - we kicked their ass over and over. The US wasn't pushed off the battlefield. POLITICALLY - we lost those conflicts due to lack of will or a legitimate ROE that matches warfare.

Again, the ability to put grunts on the ground in relatively small areas plays into how the .mil is constructed. They would not have that advantage over much of the US were they to turn inward.


Me



Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,139
Likes: 24
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 39,139
Likes: 24
Originally Posted by BuckHaggard
Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by Stophel
the civil war WON'T be urban people against rural people (though this will be used as an igniting spark). The war will be the us Government against rural people. We won't ultimately be facing pink haired fairies and drag queens. We will be facing the eff-b-eye, the aft, revenuers, homeland security, the us army, the us air force, and the Completely Illegal Agency.


And they're going to struggle with the rural people. Bad.

Not for long. If the military goes with the regime, and I don't see how it doesn't, it will be a very short war.

For urbanites - not rurals. Do the math on just how large the US is and what it has at hand to take and occupy 300 million square miles and also remember that those performing the attacks (drone etc) on the US have family IN the US and would be vulnerable to reprisals, along with the entirety of the US military's supply chain - CONUS.


Me



Page 1 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

592 members (007FJ, 204guy, 222Sako, 160user, 2500HD, 1lessdog, 55 invisible), 2,440 guests, and 1,175 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,192,526
Posts18,491,103
Members73,972
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.162s Queries: 55 (0.015s) Memory: 0.9191 MB (Peak: 1.0457 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-05-05 15:22:55 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS