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What I’m really trying to say is that Arc case is a steaming pile of coyote turd.
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Holy schidt guys, if you can't kill a yote with an off the shelf .243 winchester, you are a horrible shooting sob. Take up a different sport. I have 2 different 243's that work wonderfully for yotes and deer. Nice fairly lightweight rifles, set up with simple scopes (Burris FFII 3-9x40 with ballistic plex reticle) that suit them perfectly. Good for out to 500 yards. 400 yards is almost too easy, and that is with the cheap as fu ck 100gr Hornady interlock.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Bullets matter wayyyyyyyyy more than headstamps ladies. Hint. Poor poor(literally) BullSchitArtists has her hands full trying to get 108’s and the like in her 6x45 upper. Hint. You CLUELESS Drooling Fhuqktards are a hoot! Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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OP's question was less about 243 and more about that specific rifle being too heavy. Also indicated desire for faster twist which would be a clue that he intends or would like to if possible run heavier bullets for caliber. He was also open to OTHER ideas.
6 ARC was mentioned as a way to launch good bullets at good speed from a dandy little platform the Howa Mini. - asked and answered to the OP and not really off topic.
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I’ve got a slew of varmint rifles from 17HMR to 6ackley and fast twist 6x47 lapua. Some std sporters and others with barrels up to 28” and heavy contours. I’ve also been hunting coyotes for nearly 40 years and killed several hundred of them along the way. All the rifles I mentioned have a place. I bought a 22-250 700VLS ( old style) about 35 years ago…. I hunted it less than a season. Too heavy. Too long. Too much to tote and too heavy to swing on a moving coyote. I’ve also shot coyotes waaay out there with a 6x47lapua shooting VLD’s…. But those dogs never knew I was there. I had a very good rest and I had time to hit them multiple times with a laser rangefinder then dial then look at the wind then get on the rifle and kill them…. Coyotes like to move and when they move they cover a lot of ground in a big hurry. They normally don’t stand around waiting to be shot at. Anymore if I’m calling coyotes it either an AR shooting 55BT’s or a bolt action 22-250 shooting 50 or 55 gr bullets as fast as I can accurately push them. If I could have only one rifle to hunt coyotes it’d be my trust old 700BDL shooting 50BT’s 3800fps. It wears an old 3-9 leupold with a fine reticle. If I see a coyote out to 400-450….That coyotes probably not long for the world. Not saying the VLS 243 won’t work. It certainly will and quite well. I’d suggest a 55BT at 4000fps or so. Aim on fur to probably 360-370 yards properly sighted in and look at the 87vmax if you want to shoot further. Either will kill coyotes with great authority.
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I've lonnggggg shot 50's at 3750fps via 21" 223AI's. Nothing redeeming there,as compared to 75's,or better yet 88's. Hint. It'd be tough to trump a Reupold 3-9X SFP wearing a schit reticle,as THE Goat Fhuqk. Hint. I rather like the VLS with ebony tip,as a Niche Play Toy and have had 'em in 223,22-250 and 243. Chop to 21",flute and they liven up. RPM is their bane,if only because bullets matter wayyyyyyyy more than headstamps. Hint. Glass selection,curtails much Dumbfhuqkery and will literally connect dots by default. Because one is going to be looking through the fhuqking thing anyway,you may as well have a useful reticle that will arrange POA/POI for distance,atmospherics and contending movers. Nothing is warmer/fuzzier than Base Ten. Hint. 87 'Max here,due Retard RPM(10") and it fhuqking PALES to an ARC with 112's. Pardon my simply shooting it all and then some. Typical Montucky that "doesn't shoot". Hint. Just sayin'..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Light rifles make poor varmint rigs. The varmint hunter doesn’t hike up mountains. He is usually found close to the truck. Where the coffee and donuts are.
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Light rifles make poor varmint rigs. The varmint hunter doesn’t hike up mountains. He is usually found close to the truck. Where the coffee and donuts are. What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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I used a .243" 70 grain Sierra BlitzKing on this coyote. Rifle is a Winchester M 70 .243 Win with a 6x Weaver. IIRC it weighs around 9 lbs as is in the picture.
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If mostly calling coyotes I was using a 243 sending the 58 gr. Vmax out at over 3800 fps. My shots are usually at moving or coyotes that stop for a few seconds. The rifle is a sporter weight Savage, plenty accurate enough and I never had to even consider trajectory out to 350 yards or so. Lately I have been lugging a 6 Grendel pushing the same bullet at around 3200 fps. Haven't killed a coyote with it yet but it seems to be a raccoon magnet which is good also. Will be out calling them in soon but the Crappie are in the creeks. Gotta have priorities.
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Light rifles make poor varmint rigs. The varmint hunter doesn’t hike up mountains. He is usually found close to the truck. Where the coffee and donuts are. Your Brokedick handicaps and gross inabilities,aren't the plight of all,though your Professional Victim status is assuredly warranted...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Fhuqking LAUGHING!...................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Light rifles make poor varmint rigs. The varmint hunter doesn’t hike up mountains. He is usually found close to the truck. Where the coffee and donuts are. We packed a lot of BDL VS, VLS, VS, VSSF, Model 70 Heavy Varminters, 77 VT and heavy barrel Savages to stands many moons ago. A few 24" barrels and a bunch of 26" barrels. Deer hunted with them as well. Sometimes you cussed them on long drags over muddy fields but normally they weren't terrible.
The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
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Gents, I’m looking at a Remington 700 VLS .243 for coyote hunting. Do you think they’re too heavy? If not what’s available in the market place. If I buy new I’d like a faster twist . What’s your thoughts? Also, I’ll be 75 this month Thank you in advance for your time and consideration Semper Fidelis Soup What did you decide?
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