The difference here is that Baldwin was not a mere actor. He was a producer and the top dog in the entire process to film this movie. Dont think the "only an actor" defense is going to work
His dad was a marine, he grew up with firearms, has worked with firearms in many many films, and knew the rules. He broke rule #1. In the video of him "practicing" he drew the gun numerous times, and in every shot-his finger was on the trigger.
The difference here is that Baldwin was not a mere actor. He was a producer and the top dog in the entire process to film this movie. Dont think the "only an actor" defense is going to work
I think there are 6 producers and a couple Executive producers, I know you want to hang Baldwin but obviously there wasn't the evidence for a criminal charge.....civil will be the only recourse, and it's been stated that was 15 mil.
Um, yes there is evidence for a criminal charge, which is why he has been charged with the trial slated for April.
The trial is in July you're right, but since the arborer was found guilty he'll skate free in the end. Originally he wasn't charged, then the "malfunction/didn't pull trigger" issue was resolved....the case was reopened.
Well, almost. He was initially charged. Then the charges were dropped, the reinstated. Even George Clooney said when he uses a weapon on set, HE checks every gun handed to him, and show everyone on set it is safe. Baldwin has no excuse.
The difference here is that Baldwin was not a mere actor. He was a producer and the top dog in the entire process to film this movie. Dont think the "only an actor" defense is going to work
His dad was a marine, he grew up with firearms, has worked with firearms in many many films, and knew the rules. He broke rule #1. In the video of him "practicing" he drew the gun numerous times, and in every shot-his finger was on the trigger.
Skip to 2:15
Yep. His Dad was also a Firearms Instructor and the Coach of his HS Shooting team.
He obviously grew up around guns and with a Dad that would have undoubtedly given him proper safety instruction.
Not to mention the fact that he was in charge of the filming and the set as a Producer. And he hired the idiot “armorer”, too.
Bottom line is he pointed the gun at the lady and pulled the trigger. Guilty as Charged.
Bet the DA and Prosecutor uses the footage and testimony from her trial to convict Asswipe Baldwin.
What many here have failed to mention, is that this was, from what I understand, a “practice take” another words they were not filming an actual scene from the movie, according to original statements, when the killing occurred. If that’s true, then why was their a need to have ANY ammo, at all, in the gun. Even dummy rounds weren’t needed for a “practice take”, that would not even be used in the actual film.
I believe If I recall correctly, from Baldwin’s intitial statements and the dumb ass interview that he quickly did with his Libertard buddy, George Stephanopoulos, that he “wanted to practice drawing the gun from the holster” for a future scene.
So why would the gun need to be loaded, if that was the case. 🤪
Yes, the “Armorer” was an IDIOT, and was RESPONSIBLE for gun safety on the Set. She fugged up and the Lady died. She was rightfully found guilty by the Jury. As should also be Baldwin. He was responsible for hiring the IDIOT, and for the Production, and he killed the Lady, too.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
"It has been stated that the OSHA guidelines for actors with firearms is that each actor is responsible as well to ensure their firearm is safe. Baldwin didn't get his gun directly from the armourer as he should have, didn't check his gun, pointed it at her, cocked it, and pulled the trigger. There is no "But I'm an actor." exemption in law when someone is killed. "
A few problems here: The professional armorers testified to the contrary. The armorer bears full responsibility for verifying gun and ammo safety. The Assistant Director is supposed to confirm it. Including the actor is "nice" but not required. Baldwin's only fault was pointing a gun, loaded with dummies, directly at the camera operator and director (although he was apparently directed to do so.) Halls only witnessed the "drum" being spun part way. He did not visually inspect each round being loaded or hear them rattle as is SOP. He admitted that he rushed the process. In fact, he stated he gave the gun back to Hannah who handed it off to Baldwin herself. She was extremely careless and incompetent and should never have been hired. That's on the management company. She brought lethal ammo onto the set herself and stated she - "usually" - shakes the dummies. Her attorney was very good, and no doubt expensive. Who put up that kind of money, and why, when she was obviously the guilty party with no excuses who could have plead out to a lighter sentence? Curious...
Not to mention the fact that the stupid bitch was a known Doper that smoked week and brought Cocaine onto the Movie Set.
She was caught passing it off to another crew member when NM LEO arrived on scene.
But then, many on here will say there’s nothing wrong with smoking a little weed. And that it’s harmless 😳🤪😂
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"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Even George Clooney said when he uses a weapon on set, HE checks every gun handed to him, and show everyone on set it is safe. Baldwin has no excuse.
Sure, sure, sure.....Clooney dumps every mag and checks each bullet individually, to make sure they are blanks, then carefully reloads the gun. All while he's pulling 20 mil down for his role in the film, and it's not his job to do so.
It must take years to make military films at that pace, or any John Wick film.....you think Keanu Reeves and Halle Berry checked the 1000's of rounds they fired in the film ?, most were also pointed at people.
Bottom line is he pointed the gun at the lady and pulled the trigger. Guilty as Charged.
This has been my stance. Not sure how anyone could feel differently. He might regret it, we may feel sympathy, but who here would have done as he did?
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Bet the DA and Prosecutor uses the footage and testimony from her trial to convict Asswipe Baldwin.
I would think they present it into argument but convict? We will see. They had OJ's glove and shoeprints -remember? This group doesn't live by the same rules.
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Yes, the “Armorer” was an IDIOT, and was RESPONSIBLE for gun safety on the Set. She fugged up and the Lady died. She was rightfully found guilty by the Jury. As should also be Baldwin. He was responsible for hiring the IDIOT, and for the Production, and he killed the Lady, too..
About sums it up.
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It appears you did, according to your faulty logic. 1000's and 1000's of rounds fired in films, and the actor isn't required to check his "toy" prop gun.....he/she is a stupid actor not gun experts. Live rounds are not allowed on set, I'd start there to find out who the real culprit is....and if that's Baldwin then hang him IDGAF.
Well, almost. He was initially charged. Then the charges were dropped, the reinstated. Even George Clooney said when he uses a weapon on set, HE checks every gun handed to him, and show everyone on set it is safe. Baldwin has no excuse.
He doesn't need an excuse! It's make believe, even if the guns are real. Nobody is shooting guns so regular gun rules are irrelevant. Movie rules are the only rules that apply. Get it?It's a Movie!
Law doesn't care if you're an actor. It was a negligent discharge that resulted in death = manslaughter. Baldwin pointed and pulled the trigger = his fault.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
Bottom line is he pointed the gun at the lady and pulled the trigger. Guilty as Charged.
This has been my stance. Not sure how anyone could feel differently. He might regret it, we may feel sympathy, but who here would have done as he did?
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Bet the DA and Prosecutor uses the footage and testimony from her trial to convict Asswipe Baldwin.
I would think they present it into argument but convict? We will see. They had OJ's glove and shoeprints -remember? This group doesn't live by the same rules.
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Yes, the “Armorer” was an IDIOT, and was RESPONSIBLE for gun safety on the Set. She fugged up and the Lady died. She was rightfully found guilty by the Jury. As should also be Baldwin. He was responsible for hiring the IDIOT, and for the Production, and he killed the Lady, too..
About sums it up.
Yep. But ole Murdering OJ was a member of THREE Protected Classes. And IIRC, had nearly an ALL Black Jury. Seems like there might have been maybe two Hispanics, though. And Asswipe Baldwin is only a member of two.
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"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
Bottom line is he pointed the gun at the lady and pulled the trigger. Guilty as Charged.
This has been my stance. Not sure how anyone could feel differently. He might regret it, we may feel sympathy, but who here would have done as he did?
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Bet the DA and Prosecutor uses the footage and testimony from her trial to convict Asswipe Baldwin.
I would think they present it into argument but convict? We will see. They had OJ's glove and shoeprints -remember? This group doesn't live by the same rules.
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Yes, the “Armorer” was an IDIOT, and was RESPONSIBLE for gun safety on the Set. She fugged up and the Lady died. She was rightfully found guilty by the Jury. As should also be Baldwin. He was responsible for hiring the IDIOT, and for the Production, and he killed the Lady, too..
About sums it up.
Yep. But ole Murdering OJ was a member of THREE Protected Classes. And IIRC, had nearly an ALL Black Jury. Seems like there might have been maybe two Hispanics, though. And Asswipe Baldwin is only a member of two.
You know for a fact that Baldwin hired her for the job ?, most producers only provide notoriety and cash input to the film.
They had a ton of problems on the set, half the crew walked the day of the shooting prior to the incident. They had terrible working conditions, no water or food at times, etc... I thought the assistant director grabbed the gun off the cart, and yelled "cold gun on set !!!", and then handed the gun to Baldwin....how has he escaped and dereliction of duty in the conversation ?
Shooting live rounds at beer cans on the set at lunch time, drugs floating around, no basic water/food for crew in an isolated desert location....what could go wrong ???
Law doesn't care if you're an actor. It was a negligent discharge that resulted in death = manslaughter. Baldwin pointed and pulled the trigger = his fault.
The reason actors are an exception is that movie and TV studios agree in advance to transfer liability to a hired expert, i.e., the armorer/prop master, when actors are to handle real firearms. In fact, it's almost certainly in the actor's contract. So actors are only liable for intentional crimes while on set, not accidents with firearms, since someone has been hired to make sure that doesn't happen.
This video, at 3:48 shows the Screen Actors Guild rules on firearms.
Oh !!! Screen Actors Guild rules, how do they punish an actor for walking up on stage and assaulting another actor live on TV in front of millions of viewers ?
Rules aren't laws, Baldwin is a twat but he won't serve time.....he may not even pay.
