OK, all you mensa students, rejects and windowlikkers put those prefrontal cortexs together and create a way to accurately test and verify that scopes behave as designed. T
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OK, all you mensa students, rejects and windowlikkers put those prefrontal cortexs together and create a way to accurately test and verify that scopes behave as designed. T
This is a good test.
It does require a good rifle and solid shooting skills so a few here won't like it as a test.
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I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.
OK, all you mensa students, rejects and windowlikkers put those prefrontal cortexs together and create a way to accurately test and verify that scopes behave as designed. T
This is a good test.
It does require a good rifle and solid shooting skills so a few here won't like it as a test.
Sample of one....not statistically valid. Good video though! Ain't sayin'. Just sayin'.….
OK, all you mensa students, rejects and windowlikkers put those prefrontal cortexs together and create a way to accurately test and verify that scopes behave as designed. T
That would require effort; it’s a lot easier to just criticize how other people do it.
A sample of one I suppose but I shot several hundred rounds over a number of years with cheaply found 400 gr Barnes Originals through my 416 Rem M70. Somehow it worked in Zimbabwe in 2015 with the 350 gr TSX.
OK, all you mensa students, rejects and windowlikkers put those prefrontal cortexs together and create a way to accurately test and verify that scopes behave as designed. T
This is a good test.
It does require a good rifle and solid shooting skills so a few here won't like it as a test.
That shot had a little bit of luck involved. Not all luck but some.
Scope manufacturers should vigorously be testing their own products before they are sold. Since most don’t and only a few do, I’ll buy from those that do.
OK, all you mensa students, rejects and windowlikkers put those prefrontal cortexs together and create a way to accurately test and verify that scopes behave as designed. T
This is a good test.
It does require a good rifle and solid shooting skills so a few here won't like it as a test.
OK, all you mensa students, rejects and windowlikkers put those prefrontal cortexs together and create a way to accurately test and verify that scopes behave as designed. T
The trophy photos are nice. But because a critter was killed...is that a validity test? Could you take that same rifle and optic and shoot a 20 click box with it? In my poverty, I don't have any high dollar optics...but in the low dollar category, I have many options...but the only ones I would bet money on being able to shoot a box with, are the SWFAs and God help me, some old steel El Paso Weavers. I'm not saying my Meoptas and Zeiss' won't do it, I'm saying I wouldn't be willing to bet much money on it.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
The trophy photos are nice. But because a critter was killed...is that a validity test? Could you take that same rifle and optic and shoot a 20 click box with it? In my poverty, I don't have any high dollar optics...but in the low dollar category, I have many options...but the only ones I would bet money on being able to shoot a box with, are the SWFAs and God help me, some old steel El Paso Weavers. I'm not saying my Meoptas and Zeiss' won't do it, I'm saying I wouldn't be willing to bet much money on it.
I don't mean to be flippant but I've never eaten a box. I have a couple of rigs that are for dialing but the majority are just to steer a bullet where I want it to go. Inside of 350 yards or so no dialing needed.
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The trophy photos are nice. But because a critter was killed...is that a validity test? Could you take that same rifle and optic and shoot a 20 click box with it? In my poverty, I don't have any high dollar optics...but in the low dollar category, I have many options...but the only ones I would bet money on being able to shoot a box with, are the SWFAs and God help me, some old steel El Paso Weavers. I'm not saying my Meoptas and Zeiss' won't do it, I'm saying I wouldn't be willing to bet much money on it.
At the end of the day, I could give a $hit about paper or test. My goal is to kill the critters. I’ve no trouble in that department and my family is eating well. What works for me may not for the next.
The trophy photos are nice. But because a critter was killed...is that a validity test? Could you take that same rifle and optic and shoot a 20 click box with it? In my poverty, I don't have any high dollar optics...but in the low dollar category, I have many options...but the only ones I would bet money on being able to shoot a box with, are the SWFAs and God help me, some old steel El Paso Weavers. I'm not saying my Meoptas and Zeiss' won't do it, I'm saying I wouldn't be willing to bet much money on it.
At the end of the day, I could give a $hit about paper or test. My goal is to kill the critters. I’ve no trouble in that department and my family is eating well. What works for me may not for the next.
Ooops, the cold hard truth tom. 👊🏻👍😘
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
I've never been to Dream Land,where apparently all wares are the "same". Forecast looks to stay that course as well. Hint.
Whether it's a blade,tires,fish rods,boats,cameras and most certainly rifle scopes,nothing is further from Fact that all are "equal" or close. For obvious reasons and a multitude of others that routinely escape Droolers,it's never not been prudent to extrapolate objectively. Further,R&D is never not fun. Hint.
The MOST important portion of a rifle scope,is that which you can't see and Testing is beyond prudent. Easy for me to say as I've simply gunned 100's and 100's of 'em. Mechanical integrity fhuqks with pointy heads and routinely hurts Tender Feelers,which never ain't not fhuqking HILARIOUS. Hint.
Just sayin'...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
RemingtonPeters: YOU.... just CAN'T do that with a Rifle that has a "Leupold scope" on it - just ask small twig! Just funnin ya. That is an impressive "mess'o Coyotes". Good for you - keep it up theres more out there. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy P.S.: What caliber is that nifty lookin Rifle?
A sample of one I suppose but I shot several hundred rounds over a number of years with cheaply found 400 gr Barnes Originals through my 416 Rem M70. Somehow it worked in Zimbabwe in 2015 with the 350 gr TSX.
sweet photos!
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"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
The trophy photos are nice. But because a critter was killed...is that a validity test? Could you take that same rifle and optic and shoot a 20 click box with it? In my poverty, I don't have any high dollar optics...but in the low dollar category, I have many options...but the only ones I would bet money on being able to shoot a box with, are the SWFAs and God help me, some old steel El Paso Weavers. I'm not saying my Meoptas and Zeiss' won't do it, I'm saying I wouldn't be willing to bet much money on it.
I can post piles of groups and a fair bit of critters that do for me.
JB,
What percent of your and your wifes down game were downed with Leupold optics?
I've never been to Dream Land,where apparently all wares are the "same". Forecast looks to stay that course as well. Hint.
Whether it's a blade,tires,fish rods,boats,cameras and most certainly rifle scopes,nothing is further from Fact that all are "equal" or close. For obvious reasons and a multitude of others that routinely escape Droolers,it's never not been prudent to extrapolate objectively. Further,R&D is never not fun. Hint.
The MOST important portion of a rifle scope,is that which you can't see and Testing is beyond prudent. Easy for me to say as I've simply gunned 100's and 100's of 'em. Mechanical integrity fhuqks with pointy heads and routinely hurts Tender Feelers,which never ain't not fhuqking HILARIOUS. Hint.
Just sayin'...............
Yep Stick knows how to test a scope. Toss it down a hill and see if it stays sighted in.
The trophy photos are nice. But because a critter was killed...is that a validity test? Could you take that same rifle and optic and shoot a 20 click box with it? In my poverty, I don't have any high dollar optics...but in the low dollar category, I have many options...but the only ones I would bet money on being able to shoot a box with, are the SWFAs and God help me, some old steel El Paso Weavers. I'm not saying my Meoptas and Zeiss' won't do it, I'm saying I wouldn't be willing to bet much money on it.
Many of us have no need or desire to "shoot the box". Example: 1978 I purchased a Win 670 in 30-06 and equipped it with a 2-7x32 Weaver V7. No, it did not move exactly to the clicks. It took ten or twelve rounds to sight it in.
Zeroed at 300 yds with 165 gr Speer hot core and later ballistic tips, it was good to go for over a decade. I killed hundreds and hundreds of ground squirrels with it from 20 yds to 300. It was lethal on big game to 500 yds. The trajectory matched the card on the stock exactly.
I certainly could never ask anything more of a scope.
Then I replaced the 30-06 with a 7mm STW and a 264. Scopes were upgraded to 4-12x40. Only then they were zeroed at 350 yds, and never moved again.
Sure, if one is shooting competitively or professionally beyond 500 yds, you are going to require dependable and repeatable turrets. But what percentage of us actually do that?
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
Many of us have no need or desire to "shoot the box". Example: 1978 I purchased a Win 670 in 30-06 and equipped it with a 2-7x32 Weaver V7. No, it did not move exactly to the clicks. It took ten or twelve rounds to sight it in.
Zeroed at 300 yds with 165 gr Speer hot core and later ballistic tips, it was good to go for over a decade. I killed hundreds and hundreds of ground squirrels with it from 20 yds to 300. It was lethal on big game to 500 yds. The trajectory matched the card on the stock exactly.
I certainly could never ask anything more of a scope.
Then I replaced the 30-06 with a 7mm STW and a 264. Scopes were upgraded to 4-12x40. Only then they were zeroed at 350 yds, and never moved again.
Sure, if one is shooting competitively or professionally beyond 500 yds, you are going to require dependable and repeatable turrets. But what percentage of us actually do that?
Before I went sheep hunting I purchased a dialing scope and practiced at various ranges for weeks. I shot the sheep at about sixty yards.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter
Many of us have no need or desire to "shoot the box". Example: 1978 I purchased a Win 670 in 30-06 and equipped it with a 2-7x32 Weaver V7. No, it did not move exactly to the clicks. It took ten or twelve rounds to sight it in.
Zeroed at 300 yds with 165 gr Speer hot core and later ballistic tips, it was good to go for over a decade. I killed hundreds and hundreds of ground squirrels with it from 20 yds to 300. It was lethal on big game to 500 yds. The trajectory matched the card on the stock exactly.
I certainly could never ask anything more of a scope.
Then I replaced the 30-06 with a 7mm STW and a 264. Scopes were upgraded to 4-12x40. Only then they were zeroed at 350 yds, and never moved again.
Sure, if one is shooting competitively or professionally beyond 500 yds, you are going to require dependable and repeatable turrets. But what percentage of us actually do that?
Before I went sheep hunting I purchased a dialing scope and practiced at various ranges for weeks. I shot the sheep at about sixty yards.
Lol
The same went for me when first getting into long range capability. Had all my data hanging on the gun and had practiced before the hunt.
Killed a buck at 25 yards
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Originally Posted by Bristoe
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
I drew two good out of state tags last year. Filled both tags at 400+. Same with the year before that. One shot was 80 yards, the other was 620. Was glad to have the dials. There’s been piles of hogs and coyotes in between. Some short, some long. I’d rather have em and not need em than the other way around.
The trophy photos are nice. But because a critter was killed...is that a validity test? Could you take that same rifle and optic and shoot a 20 click box with it? In my poverty, I don't have any high dollar optics...but in the low dollar category, I have many options...but the only ones I would bet money on being able to shoot a box with, are the SWFAs and God help me, some old steel El Paso Weavers. I'm not saying my Meoptas and Zeiss' won't do it, I'm saying I wouldn't be willing to bet much money on it.
Many of us have no need or desire to "shoot the box". Example: 1978 I purchased a Win 670 in 30-06 and equipped it with a 2-7x32 Weaver V7. No, it did not move exactly to the clicks. It took ten or twelve rounds to sight it in.
Zeroed at 300 yds with 165 gr Speer hot core and later ballistic tips, it was good to go for over a decade. I killed hundreds and hundreds of ground squirrels with it from 20 yds to 300. It was lethal on big game to 500 yds. The trajectory matched the card on the stock exactly.
I certainly could never ask anything more of a scope.
Then I replaced the 30-06 with a 7mm STW and a 264. Scopes were upgraded to 4-12x40. Only then they were zeroed at 350 yds, and never moved again.
Sure, if one is shooting competitively or professionally beyond 500 yds, you are going to require dependable and repeatable turrets. But what percentage of us actually do that?
Don’t be afraid to learn something new. With today’s scopes, zeroing at 350 yards makes little sense. Zero at 100 where you can be precise about it and minimize the environmental impact, then dial up or use the reticle subtensions as needed.