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I do think some of the people on this thread need to learn to speak to each other in a more Christian-like manner. I won't name any names.

Faith is trusting in what you have good evidence to believe is true.

Many signs of historical criteria provide evidence of the historicity and reliability of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Signs of historical criteria like multiple attestation and eyewitness testimony, the criterion of embarrassment, textual overlap with independent ancient Jewish historians, and the presence of early oral creeds all testify that Jesus was a real Jewish person who lived in Judea, had followers, and was crucified (which is the scholarly consensus), as well as the finding of an empty tomb by women, followed by post-crucifixion appearances. It’s enough to more than get the attention of honest skeptical scholars.

You are repeating fallacies. The very essence of faith is to believe without evidence. Which is why religion is classified as a faith. Invoking evidence where none exists is a bogus tactic.

A lot of the pain that Jesus suffered when crucified and the controversy over the resurrection could have been avoided if God raised the requirements for getting into Heaven and only allow those into Heaven that have hardly sinned at all. I don't believe my sins and the sins of others like me were enough for Jesus to need to sacrifice Himself for. But I am very grateful just the same.

Biblical faith is considered to be a trust and confidence in God based on evidence but without total proof. Jesus Himself said to “believe on the evidence.” But among all definitions of faith, the common theme is trust.

I think Antlers is right on that point.

You are misinterpreting Hebrew 11:1. It doesn't say what you claim.

Depends on how you define 'evidence.' If you define evidence as something written in old scrolls, then there is plenty of evidence for all sorts of wonders.

You boys really need to give a break and go yank your puds.

Does she really exist though, in real life?

I think it is a form of evidence, but not sure if it would be "admissible evidence" as you can't cross-examine the author.

Without any possible way of verifying what is written, it's simply something that someone wrote.

Given probability and fantastic supernatural claims, it takes faith to believe that a God created the world, the universe (unimaginably vast)....and 'died for our sins,' the likelyhood of this being true is extremely low to zero.

The probability of the universe existing, the probability of it existing and being so vast, whether by the hand of God or not by the hand of God, is so low that it is close to zero. It is just unbelievable that existence exists - no matter how it came about. Yet we know it does exist. The probability argument and the vastness argument therefore does not swing things in favor of "no god", in fact it swings things in favor of "god". If on the balance of probabilities that god exists, then which god? No one has come up with a better explanation of what constitutes god that what we have in the West.

Given our limited understanding of the universe, we don't know what the probability of the existence of the universe is.

It may appear improbable to us, yet the universe exists and unlike God - whatever that's supposed to be - we have abundent evidence for its existence.

Unlike 'God,' a word without references or evidence, we need no faith to accept the reality of the universe.

Maybe our collective human intelligence is so undeveloped that we cannot see things like the size and scope of the universe as infact being one example of the proof that God exists.

WOW........Just WOW.........

If all the brains on this forum were packed into a Hummingbirds Skull..........

he would fly backwards and destroy himself.

This is all you need to know about faith and proof of the existence of God.

Romans 1
16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, just as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened."

So the faith we must have is not faith that God exists, He said thats a given by proof of creation and if you still don't believe then you are willfully ignorant and suppressing the truth. So the faith we must have is to believe and accept the birth, life, death, burial, and resurrection of His son Jesus the Christ.

Antlers is completely correct.

…..and….as usual, you are completely wrong.

You just make up stuff and alter definitions to bolster your juvenile attempts at self-aggrandizement.

You have exactly the same evidence of God as you have of the universe. You have not personally seen or experienced the universe. You don't know of anything outside your own experience except from what others tell you. You simply choose what you are willing to believe. The only difference is that the belief of the universe beyond your personal experience has not been believed nearly as long, or by as many people as the existence of God.

It's not a matter of the severity of sins. In order to attain heaven, you must believe in, and trust in God rather than in yourself. You think you have been good enough to qualify for Heaven without Jesus, therefore you have no trust or faith in God for your salvation. God will not judge you good enough. You are damned because of your lack of trust in God, not because of your sins.