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Kinda reminds me of Waco. Why pick him up on his weekly trip to the hardware store when they can just burn the place down and kill everyone............ That's what I was thinking. Why do they stage armed attacks like this when they could just nab the guy at work, or on his way to or from work?

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Originally Posted by chlinstructor
And evidently the OP didn’t read the article before posting the headline.

Why would he do that, it would just ruin a good headline.



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Originally Posted by viking
More like an assassination.


That is what the "A" in ATF stands for...

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Was buying from dealers and reselling at gun shows. ATF has been tracking him for a while.

If you are a cop and want to cause a shootout there isn't a much better way than to forcefully invade a home while it's dark outside. I thought they had learned not to do this.


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So if they can’t make private transfers illegal, they’ll just kill you.

Simple enough……

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Yep, he was buying lots of guns through legal channels and then selling them at gun shows while apparently following the rules. That's why they murdered him.


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Originally Posted by grouseman
Yep, he was buying lots of guns through legal channels and then selling them at gun shows while apparently following the rules. That's why they murdered him.
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Originally Posted by Hastings
Was buying from dealers and reselling at gun shows. ATF has been tracking him for a while.

If you are a cop and want to cause a shootout there isn't a much better way than to forcefully invade a home while it's dark outside. I thought they had learned not to do this.

It would seem they’re perfecting it.

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Ever wonder why both the ATF and FBI show up before daylight and scare the crap out of people? They should just arrest you when you leave your house or at work. I think every knows the reason.

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Originally Posted by victoro
Ever wonder why both the ATF and FBI show up before daylight and scare the crap out of people? They should just arrest you when you leave your house or at work. I think every knows the reason.

It's so they can be scared, shoot you and your dog and still "go home safe at the end of their shift".


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Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by victoro
Ever wonder why both the ATF and FBI show up before daylight and scare the crap out of people? They should just arrest you when you leave your house or at work. I think every knows the reason.

It's so they can be scared, shoot you and your dog and still "go home safe at the end of their shift".

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It seems to have gone like this in the planning meeting. "We have this man we are going to arrest and search his house. What is the way to handle this to assure that he thinks he is being robbed by home invasion".

"That way we can kill him when he takes a shot at what he thinks are criminal home invaders". ''Merrick Garland will never prosecute us and the state can't take the case, we will be home free".


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Originally Posted by victoro
Ever wonder why both the ATF and FBI show up before daylight and scare the crap out of people?

Tactics like that are likely to create evidence to support the ATF's claims. You need the ATF to protect you from dangerous criminals like this and the evidence they are dangerous criminals is that they shoot at the ATF. Just like other high profile ATF actions like Ruby Ridge and Waco, this could have been easily resolved with no bloodshed at all but that might have made the targets of those actions look like something other than sociopathic lunatics.

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Originally Posted by Stickfight
Originally Posted by victoro
Ever wonder why both the ATF and FBI show up before daylight and scare the crap out of people?

Tactics like that are likely to create evidence to support the ATF's claims. You need the ATF to protect you from dangerous criminals like this and the evidence they are dangerous criminals is that they shoot at the ATF. Just like other high profile ATF actions like Ruby Ridge and Waco, this could have been easily resolved with no bloodshed at all but that might have made the targets of those actions look like something other than sociopathic lunatics.
Exactly! And notice in all the above mentioned cases, ALL were white! Had they been some other color, the media would have been out off their minds in support for the 'shooties' and not the 'shooters'!

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