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Does anyone know if this is the first time that a major U.S. port has been blocked by debris?
For instance I know that the Coronado Bridge in San Diego is built out of box sections (I actually was able to walk through them on a tour once). The rumor is that the box sections (with dogged bulkhead doors) were so designed because in the event of a bridge failure, the sections could be towed out of the way. 32nd street Naval Base is inside the bridge.
I forget the real reason for the box sections, given on the tour, but it was not because they would float. Maybe they would break up in a way so as to not impede navigation??? Likely built that way for earthquake damage mitigation. It's a whole lot easier, faster, and more economical to replace a section or two than an entire bridge. I think you are right. Something about how a box section handles P waves and S-waves.
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Mayor Pete is on the way--- Thank you Jesus. The adults are now in charge.(sarc) Pete's running late. Some late morning spooning with his husband. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/Dy1xJ4cS/Pete-Husband1.jpg) Damn shame we have a mentally ill Pete in charge of this. I feel sorry for those 2 babies they adopted their minds will be warped at and early age. Should be a law against queers adopting kids.
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Does anyone know if this is the first time that a major U.S. port has been blocked by debris?
For instance I know that the Coronado Bridge in San Diego is built out of box sections (I actually was able to walk through them on a tour once). The rumor is that the box sections (with dogged bulkhead doors) were so designed because in the event of a bridge failure, the sections could be towed out of the way. 32nd street Naval Base is inside the bridge.
I forget the real reason for the box sections, given on the tour, but it was not because they would float. Maybe they would break up in a way so as to not impede navigation??? Likely built that way for earthquake damage mitigation. It's a whole lot easier, faster, and more economical to replace a section or two than an entire bridge. I think you are right. Something about how a box section handles P waves and S-waves. We always built box bridges in 40' sections. I don't know all the science behind it, but I was told it was because of earthquakes.
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Clearly, the only thing to do is send another $60 billion to Ukraine. ATTENTION
We can't spend our $$$$$ on bridge upkeep! Those $$$$$ must go to Ukraine!! The Putin Pufters psychosis is on full display. Some of them blame Ukraine for evey thing wrong in their lives. From the video it looks like they got the traffic stopped before the ship hit. Wonder how long to get the channel open with all that metal/roadway on the bottom? Is the ship in danger of sinking? Is Mayor Pete back on maternity leave? I doubt the ship is in danger of sinking. It's likely a double hull with a crash bulkhead and good compartmentalization to prevent progressive flooding. Thanks Coastie. They sure seem fast to claim it was just an accident. It probably was a mishap but if someone had done sabotage would this not be a predictable result of losing steerage/power while upstream of the bridge?
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Clearly, the only thing to do is send another $60 billion to Ukraine. ATTENTION
We can't spend our $$$$$ on bridge upkeep! Those $$$$$ must go to Ukraine!! The Putin Pufters psychosis is on full display. Some of them blame Ukraine for evey thing wrong in their lives. From the video it looks like they got the traffic stopped before the ship hit. Wonder how long to get the channel open with all that metal/roadway on the bottom? Is the ship in danger of sinking? Is Mayor Pete back on maternity leave? I doubt the ship is in danger of sinking. It's likely a double hull with a crash bulkhead and good compartmentalization to prevent progressive flooding. Thanks Coastie. They sure seem fast to claim it was just an accident. It probably was a mishap but if someone had done sabotage would this not be a predictable result of losing steerage/power while upstream of the bridge? John, I am too far removed from that aspect of shipping to be able to give a qualified answer. Shooting from the hip, I think it would be very hard for an outsider to sabotage the ship in a way that the sabotage wouldn't become apparent until that point in their voyage. Internal sabotage? Possible I suppose, but still shooting from the hip. I have a hunch that angle will be well investigated.
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Major impacts I'd think to the port of Baltimore from a freight perspective. Not many on here will get that one. Not exactly the Group that would like the Bunk or McNolte
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Clearly, the only thing to do is send another $60 billion to Ukraine. ATTENTION
We can't spend our $$$$$ on bridge upkeep! Those $$$$$ must go to Ukraine!! The Putin Pufters psychosis is on full display. Some of them blame Ukraine for evey thing wrong in their lives. From the video it looks like they got the traffic stopped before the ship hit. Wonder how long to get the channel open with all that metal/roadway on the bottom? Is the ship in danger of sinking? Is Mayor Pete back on maternity leave? I doubt the ship is in danger of sinking. It's likely a double hull with a crash bulkhead and good compartmentalization to prevent progressive flooding. Thanks Coastie. They sure seem fast to claim it was just an accident. It probably was a mishap but if someone had done sabotage would this not be a predictable result of losing steerage/power while upstream of the bridge? Well, i you read some threads or watched some news you would know why it was an accident. But no, come here and push conspiracy.
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Frank Sobotka gonna get laid off.
Major impacts I'd think to the port of Baltimore from a freight perspective. Not many on here will get that one. Not exactly the Group that would like the Bunk or McNolte I think they'd like Bunk - if exposed to it. lol.
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Norfolk/Hampton Roads/Portsmouth going to be wide open I suppose.
Savannah too I guess. Savannah been growing like a mo'fo. If anyone can take on the extra volume, it's them. From an attitude perspective.
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I wonder when the full on conspiracies will start and why Q didn't warn us?
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You guys are missing the elephant in the room.
Ok the lights went out, supposedly the ship lost control, ok fine, but…
Why was this ship being steered so close to the support in the first place. Why wasn’t this ship being steered dead center between the two supports from the get go.
There was no reason for this ship to be piloted this close to the support when there was schit tons of room available.
This was intensional
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You guys are missing the elephant in the room.
Ok the lights went out, supposedly the ship lost control, ok fine, but…
Why was this ship being steered so close to the support in the first place. Why wasn’t this ship being steered dead center between the two supports from the get go.
There was no reason for this ship to be piloted this close to the support when there was schit tons of room available.
This was intensional I am not familiar with the area, but I’ve rarely encountered a river channel elsewhere that ran a straight line.
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Correct! We once had some bad flood damaged main arteries locally. I was instructed to “Get them open!” No permits, no erosion control, nothing but “Open the damned roads!!!” 2010 flood the one that trashed Opryland, right?
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You guys are missing the elephant in the room.
Ok the lights went out, supposedly the ship lost control, ok fine, but…
Why was this ship being steered so close to the support in the first place. Why wasn’t this ship being steered dead center between the two supports from the get go.
There was no reason for this ship to be piloted this close to the support when there was schit tons of room available.
This was intensional It's hard to tell from the video, but the initial power failure occurred while the vessel was still a considerable distance from the bridge. If they had a little rudder on, that could have put their trajectory into the bridge.
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You guys are missing the elephant in the room.
Ok the lights went out, supposedly the ship lost control, ok fine, but…
Why was this ship being steered so close to the support in the first place. Why wasn’t this ship being steered dead center between the two supports from the get go.
There was no reason for this ship to be piloted this close to the support when there was schit tons of room available.
This was intensional It's hard to tell from the video, but the initial power failure occurred while the vessel was still a considerable distance from the bridge. If they had a little rudder on, that could have put their trajectory into the bridge. And I'm sure, as reported, they also had to clear other vessel traffic prior to - means they're not dead nuts middle of the road.
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I appreciate the clear headed comments and link from Teal, Gnoahh, and some others. I've been over the Key Bridge a couple of times and appreciate Gnoahh's trepidation on the crossing. As on our Mackinac Bridge (da Bridge) the driver doesn't get to admire the adjacent views.
Regardless of whether the Dali is diesel, diesel electric, or steam turbine electric powered, the propulsion, rudder, and bow thruster controls from the bridge would be electrical/electronic and subject to failure from the two apparent power outages. Both indicators and control devices for propulsion and steering would malfunction.
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The real takeaway from this is that, sheit breaks, things go wrong, and you can't do anything about it.
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I just took an advanced maritime navigation/chart plotting course in addition to my USCG 100T Masters license and the charts we used in both classes are the Chesapeake Bay charts “frozen in time” by the USCG. It can be a complicated area to navigate even without vessel traffic. I first thought that the ship either lost power or it was intentional but I’m glad that it wasn’t intentional. Accidents happen unfortunately and maritime disasters often lead to better regulations in an attempt to avoid repeating the error chain that led to something like this.
The NTSB and USCG reports will be interesting…
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Clearly, the only thing to do is send another $60 billion to Ukraine. ATTENTION
We can't spend our $$$$$ on bridge upkeep! Those $$$$$ must go to Ukraine!! The Putin Pufters psychosis is on full display. Some of them blame Ukraine for evey thing wrong in their lives. From the video it looks like they got the traffic stopped before the ship hit. Wonder how long to get the channel open with all that metal/roadway on the bottom? Is the ship in danger of sinking? Is Mayor Pete back on maternity leave? I doubt the ship is in danger of sinking. It's likely a double hull with a crash bulkhead and good compartmentalization to prevent progressive flooding. Thanks Coastie.
They sure seem fast to claim it was just an accident. It probably was a mishap but if someone had done sabotage would this not be a predictable result of losing steerage/power while upstream of the bridge? Well, i you read some threads or watched some news you would know why it was an accident.
But no, come here and push conspiracy. ![[Linked Image from external-content.duckduckgo.com]](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2Fd8b022e388f363621bafa49842eb9619%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3D12668146&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=58e465f83c1f2bdd31d7e085f377fe221876773bbd71df26aba52a582ffecf05.gif)
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