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It is just a laminate that's been dipped.

The last two sentences do not contradict.

The PF MKII, or the CRF version of the same, was likely less costly to produce than the original M77 PF action with tang safety and adjustable trigger, not the reverse as you claim.

From FTW spec sheet:

Pro-Series® H-S Precision® tan-black speckled synthetic stock features a full-length aluminum bedding block and slender pistol grip with Pro-Center® technology.

My bad.


They have changed them from the original that had the adjustable buttpad.

I laugh at these prices. I will not even pay $1k for any Ruger 77.

For $2k? I can build a tackdriver for that.

Now a #1??????.....that's different!

No different than new Remington BDLs.

I looked at one last month, $1149.

Inflay Shawn. He’s back.

That's about $300 less than the 1962 price for a 700 BDL after running it through a CPI calculator.

Wow! A gun magazine without a Black Gun on the cover!

I'll give you the change from tang safety and adjustable trigger was based on limiting cost, but I guarantee you that decision was made due to the increased cost of changing it to CRF. At best, the current CRF is running the same cost basis as the original pushfeed did back then. But again, that pushfeed was more expensive than the average pushfeed due to the fact it was still a direct variant of the Mauser 98 minus the CRF.

That being said, I'd never buy an FTW at that price and will wait until someone is dumping it off used. I sure would like to see a new change to keep CRF but go back to the tang safety and adjustable trigger, but can only imagine the pricing then.

It is worth noting the rifle I just got back from Ruger was a MK II and they installed the new LC6 trigger for $100. It's still not adjustable, but is a very good trigger and for $10 I got a spring that took 30 seconds to change out and now have a 3.5# trigger that is crisp with no creep.

The change from the tang safety to the MKII was a move away from the liability of the original (adjustable) M77 trigger, to the simpler, more cost effective MKII action. The removal of the bottom lip of the MKII PF to make it CRF (a couple years after the MKII's introduction), was not, as you claim, "far more costly."

It's apparent you're pretty much making all this up as you go...

Diogenes can put away his lantern; he found him.

Yep. But most folks I've seen on the range buy rifles for bragging rights and can barely shoot 2 MOA with a tackdriver.

The Rugers are about $1,500 on gunbroker.com, about like a Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather, Remington 700 Alpha1, or any of several other similar rifles. That's not bad if you can abide a mass-produced stock and a factory barrel, plus you don't have the wait time of dealing with a custom rifle maker.


Okie John

What does a new BDL cost at $1200, with the Timney trigger and 5R bbl, after running through the CPI calculator?

I'm not sure I follow. I used the calculator to move the 1962 price to current. $140 in 1962 would be about $1440 today.

I've got one of the original FTW guns with the laminated stock. It is the most accurate factory rifle that I've ever owned and probably the only rifle in my vault that I haven't tinkered with in some way. I took it to FTW and shot it out to 1,2000+ yards (with a Nightforce SHV). Awesome rifle. Whether it is worth the money is up tot the consumer to decide. As a RGR shareholder, I hope they sell.

If that's all they had to do for the conversion, but it was not. As for the liability part, if that was in fact the case and only reason to go away from it, why then do most manufacturers offer them currently? Maybe the M77 was a faulty design then, however, they have adjustable triggers in the American and have for years. If it wasn't any cheaper for the non-adjustable, what possible reason would they have to not use that same trigger in the Hawkeye (different version to fit the action of course) when so many people are constantly complaining to them about the non-adjustable trigger it currently has? You obviously are simply looking to ruffle some feathers- I do not care. I know I won't change your mind, and your opinion doesn't matter a bit to me or Ruger- nor does mine to Ruger for that matter. I actually make sure I know facts before talking about something rather than taking something me and my buddies did way back in the day to suit our needs and then just assume the manufacturer did the same and give it out as gospel. A little education goes a long way. Good day to you and best of luck.

Hate to admit it but I had to look that one up 🤣

Lol.

You're not wrong...just that Adam Smith got kidnapped by American colluders