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Is 27 degrees C "high heat" to you?

There is a reason I asked A vs B.

No one is stopping you, if you believe you have a point to make.

Is it your contention that it can be merely dropped into a room containing people to kill them? Sounds like very dangerous stuff to be handled regularly by exterminators.

No, you are spouting your views without considering any other evidence, that is called belief.

27C is all it takes to vaporize Zyclon B. Is that "high heat?"

My point is you are making very basic mistakes with chemistry as a foundation. Do you not see this as a problem?

Also, how does a lighter than air gas go "down" the piping of the buildings? Noticed you ignored that question.



Regards

Since you edited you post to add the last paragraph and the sarcasm. No one said it isn't very dangerous, it is. Hence, why the Nazis and exterminators use(d) it in enclosed spaces to KILL.

These A/C have supposedly been airborne for a week now, according to the dates on this thread.

You'd think they would have reached the Ukraine by now.. unless they flew around the world, and are attacking it from the west.

They either have one hell of a range, or they've landed 5 or 6 times or more to reach their 'target' by now.

Pretty sneaky of those Russians....

You don’t know what you don’t know. Or refuse to learn. You repeatedly state that it has to be heated to high temperature to work. It doesn’t.

This isn't a discussion of chemistry. It's merely a fact that Zyklon B must be used with specialized equipment (involving being heated) to be effective. Short of that, the pebbles it's contain in will not release the poison gas. This is by design, so that its users can do so with safety. We can argue about what the definition of high is, but heating is required.

But assuming, arguendo, that I were to concede your point, even the Auschwitz curator admited that the gas chamber there is a post war reconstruction of a German bomb shelter. It was transformed to look, he conceded, to the average uncritical tourist, like a gas chamber, but could not actually function as one. Not even close.

But apparently it needs to be. Because you don’t know what you don’t know.

This.

I am trying to help you out here.

I think you live in Florida, TRH...is 80F aka 27C "high heat" to you?

Just start there...

Also, you still haven't explained how a lighter than air gas goes though the underground piping into other buildings?

Your statement about zyclon b is not a "fact." (You won't even define high heat and a blower issue required when the chemical is released into a SEALED ROOM.)

The Nazis did have specialized equipment, they were called gas chambers with doors sealed so that the gas would be more effective.

The SS received specialized training from the chemical manufacturers about the handling etc of zyclon b. They were the only people authorized to use it, transport it, administer it, etc.

You statement on the "pebbles" won't release the gas, again, shows your ignorance of the chemistry.


As to the second paragraph in your post...

The Nazis destroyed the chambers. I could point you to resources to determine that on you own, but, you would ignore as you previously showed with Jorge.


You really need to consider your position because you are starting to sound like a Democrat politician.

Ignore the facts because you BELIEVE in your NARRATIVE.



Apparently, the Socratic method shall not be used on the campfire is a commandment. Apologies, I will just use X links in the future, though I don't have an account...bummer.

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Whatever they did, it worked.
According to this article is was merely exposure to air that caused the pellets to gas off.
The pellets were sealed in cans.

What Was Zyklon B?
Zyklon B was an insecticide used in Germany before and during World War II to disinfect ships, barracks, clothing, warehouses, factories, granaries, and more.

It was produced in crystal form, creating amethyst-blue pellets. Since these Zyklon B pellets turned into a highly poisonous gas (hydrocyanic or prussic acid) when exposed to air, they were stored and transported in hermetically sealed metal canisters.

Gotta remember too that the Germans had A LOT of experience with HCN from WW1.

They knew what they were doing.

"Shouting and screaming of the victims could be heard through the opening and it was clear that they fought for their lives"

~Johann Kremer, SS doctor (prescriber)


Piper, Franciszek (1994). "Gas Chambers and Crematoria". In Gutman, Yisrael; Berenbaum, Michael (eds.). Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp. Bloomington: Indiana University Press. pp. 157–182. ISBN 0-253-32684-2.

Okay, J. For the sake of argument, I will concede that it doesn't need heating, and can be simply tossed into a room chock full of people from ports in the ceiling, and that this will be lethal for its occupants. Okay, what now? You have a room full of dead folks, and piles of Zyklon B pebbles on the floor emitting toxic gas (somehow). You need to kill your next batch of Jews. What do you do in order to prepare that room for the next batch?

And keep in mind, we're supposedly talking about the very efficient, and technologically advanced, 1940s Germans.

You "cede" a point but still attempt to validate more of your "facts."

Who said anything about "piles of zyclon b" being left in the chamber?

Again, you dont understand the basic science. If you continue to use these ignorant statements as a part of you argument, well, it makes the rest of your argument look pretty bad.

Something in the Bible about not building a house on a foundation of sand.

Ymmv

Oh, and if you do a quick Google search there are plenty of sources you can peruse to answer "what next"

It is just Cyanide. The same as has often been used in American gas chambers.

You clear the room of gas, and remove the bodies just like has been done with every cyanide execution in America.

Except on an industrial scale.

Ya don't say?

Did you Google that? 😉

Nobody tell TRH how they leach to recover his favorite metal gold.

So, at a time when the Germans were actually using Zyklon B regularly to rid clothing of lice in special fumigation chambers (chambers no one asserts were used for killing people), and when doing so, always used the manufacturer-recommended machinery for extracting (via heat) and introducing the resultant toxic gas into the chambers via blowers, you are suggesting that, when it came to gas chambers designed to kill large numbers of people, suddenly they couldn't remember that they had those machines set up in other rooms in the complex, and tried just tossing the Zyklon B pebbles in through ports in the ceiling??

Okay. Got it.

No. I said you don't understand the basic science.

And you continue to attempt to insert your "facts."



I'll ask you again...how does a lighter than air gas go "down" into the piping and travel to other buildings?