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I have the opportunity to take a large ungulate. Say 1,500 lbs or more.
I am thinking of three different cartridges of which I have S X S double rifles
Range should be 50 yds or under.
A CSMC RBl Professional, 20 ga. Sabots.
A German guild S X S in 405 Winchester, 300 Gr. Hornady Interlock
A Sabatti 92 in 45-70, 400 Gr. Speers or 415 Gr. cast lead.
What would be your choice?
Quien Sabe,
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I vote for door 3
But I'm curious as to just what type of ungulate you're after...
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45-70 with FN cast lead of 400 grains or larger. Bhn of 12-18. F01
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I made a 0ne shot kill on a Cape Buff in Africa with my .405 WCF from a Winchester 1895 .405. A friend "annoyed" another with his 30-06 and finished it off with my .405.
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GW, not sure I'd trust the penetration of a 20ga slug, at least without testing. The 45-70 or 405 would do the trick. A Texas ungulate, I assume?
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Ditto Biebs. It would be interesting to know what 20-gauge sabot load you might consider using in your .615 Express double rifle, for game that large.
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GW, not sure I'd trust the penetration of a 20ga slug, at least without testing. The 45-70 or 405 would do the trick. A Texas ungulate, I assume? Actually South African if I'm correct. As near as I can tell this is a Zebu Bull, not a Brahma. He showed up with a couple cows. He does not belong to the ranch or the fellow that has the grazing rights. He must have escaped from a game ranch. He has no brand and as such would be considered an exotic. Should I choose to employ the RBL Pro Sabot rifle it would be loaded with Factory Winchester 3/4 oz Sabots (+/- 328 Gr.) @ 1,600 FPS muzzle velocity. ya! GWB
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Hope you have a big freezer!
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That was my original plan..... So which 405??? the Burgsmuller Double, the Dakota 10, The Ruger#1 or just ask "What would Teddy Do? I'm thinking the double or the 1895. I don't think I have the stones to stalk up within 30 to 50 paces and try my luck with a single shot. ya! GWB
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I don't think I have the stones to stalk up within 30 to 50 paces and try my luck with a single shot.
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No need to be 30-40 paces. 100 paces will work just fine with FN cast. Plenty of time for a reload with the singles imho. F01
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Actually the 40-72 is a bit more cool…
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In this case: "Should I choose to employ the RBL Pro Sabot rifle it would be loaded with Factory Winchester 3/4 oz Sabots (+/- 328 Gr.) @ 1,600 FPS muzzle velocity." I bought Tony Galazan's personal RBL 20-Bore Double Rifle off of him at his 2013 DSC booth. He had his regulated with a Winchester 260-gr sabot slug at 1800 fps, for those pesky Connecticut deer. Your load is more powerful and you shoot it well. That should be zebu-capable. Much more interesting than the more commonly used .45-70 or .405 WCF. Do it for Tony !
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Long before I met Tony, I met this advertising: Maybe Tony took his personal RBL Professional to many conventions, and unloaded one on the spot each time ? "Hey Tony, will you knock off 2K and sell it without the scope thingy ?" He did. Hello, my name is Ron ...
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Last edited by Riflecrank; 04/01/24.
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Too cool. Appreciate the time and effort you took to post that. I bought mine used and think I got a good deal. $4K IIRC. I am taking it with me tomorrow, when I go. Spring turkey season opened last Saturday, but with grandkids, being away on Easter was a non starter. The strut is late this year and I'm hoping to take one or two toms between now and Thursday if they co-operate. I'll also set snares and traps for hogs/coyotes, and hunt with thermal at night. Never can tell what may appear in the Texas Hill Country. Just gotta be in the right place at the right time. Seems the more time I am afield, the luckier I get. ya! GWB
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