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Mr Gunsandgear does great reviews. I like that guy.

I've got 1 WOA barrel on an SPR build I did, 18" fluted SPR profile. It's shooting very well.



5rds of Sierra 77 grn OTM at 100:



3rds of 77 OTM at 307yds on my turkey swinger head, quit when the bolt head broke off:



I've taken it out to 600 yds and it holds with our .223 bolt guns.

To the OP, it all comes down to task/purpose.. accuracy requirements and budget.

The good news is whatever you get now can be easily modified later if it doesn't match your needs. But as the other guys mentioned, there's a chit load of difference between a defensive carbine set up and a precision rig IE; barrel length, profile, trigger, optic, trigger etc.

I really like BCM.

To me, an AR is first and foremost a rifle with a specific purpose. Accuracy is important, but reliability and the ability to get it on target quickly is the most important factor to me.

You need to state your purpose for the AR long before asking for a recommendation.

There is a lot of fuddlore on this page, it probably isn't the best place to ask for AR knowledge.

Agreed.. exactly why I have multiple ARs.

The defensive carbines aren't set-up like my 3Gun rig, which isn't set up like my SPR, which isn't set up like my coyote calling carbine. Trying to put something together to be an "all around" usually ends up being mediocre at everything.

This 3Gun AR (ADJ gas block, lightweight BCG, adjustable buffer, short reset trigger, LPVO, louder than hell brake)



has a different task/purpose than this (stock Colt LE6920, RDS, white light):

I like those!

I could not agree more on this point !!!!!!!!!!!
The Springfield Saint is a way overpriced entry level AR.
My BIL wanted an AR so I told him that I would build him a good one for a reasonable price.......he couldn't wait and rushed out and and bought a Saint "Victor"
saying it was the special Saint. not so special an even more overpriced entry level AR......it's had issues

That right there is why I have put together so many guns using WOA barrels. A number of those uppers found their way overseas, as the guys buying them were using them to do good work. When done right, you can have both an ultra reliable AR that is also superbly reliable.

It is not legal to take privately own weapons overseas, but guys would take uppers and optics. So guys would have me build precision uppers, then bolt them onto their issued M4 carbine lowers, and run MK262 ammo. This gave them the ability to put accurate fire at ranges that were normally beyond the ability of a typical issued M4 barrel.

Now WOA builds complete uppers and you can simply pick up whatever configuration suits your needs rather than have someone put together an SPR "type" rifle. Almost all the guns I built had 16" barrel and the early SPRs were mostly 18" barrel guns. But for guys wanting a single "all around" carbine, the 16" guns were by far the most requested.

I agree with this. The WOA complete upper was and still is the easy button for me. I have not shot mine much. But, was surprised/ impressed with the groups with ammo can rounds. The complete units from S&W and Armalite definitely were / are not shabby. But, 2 of the WOA uppers and lowers with decent triggers were unexpectedly surprising for my purpose.

My first question would be "what do you mean by accurate", what will you be using it for, and what else is important to you.

a 10 shot gives 2 MOA gun that weights 7.5-8 pounds with an optic, and a weapon light is golden, while a 12 pound gun that shoots 5 into .5MOAis not my cup of tea.

The OP is not answering any questions. Maybe he's still thinking about things? The WOA suggestion was a good one, if looking for a top notch shooting rifle. They have a great reputation. But the OP should answer some questions that were asked, and then maybe we can further point him in the right direction. He could go with a heavy azzed 24" Stag, if he's just looking for a good "accurate" AR..

Posted by Chuck_R,

I've got 1 WOA barrel on an SPR build I did, 18" fluted SPR profile. It's shooting very well.



5rds of Sierra 77 grn OTM at 100:



3rds of 77 OTM at 307yds on my turkey swinger head, quit when the bolt head broke off:



I've taken it out to 600 yds and it holds with our .223 bolt guns.

Chuck_R,


Thats pretty impressive. Which WOA Barrel and twist did you use on your SPR build?

That’s an accurate rifle. Very nice.

Those are very good barrels. All of my rifles have 20" barrels, and shoot exceptionally well. From the factory Colt, to a HBAR Bushmaster and Windham Varmint Exterminators. They are all proven sub moa shooters. That is for 10 shots..




Maybe the OP will chime in and let us know exactly what he's looking for.. Sometimes excellent accuracy/precision can be found in a good barrel like the one shown above. That is just a 20" HBAR Bushmaster. That is my preference in barrel length, for a smooth shooting AR. Along with a rifle length gas system.

I built middle ground AR’s every few years for my gunsmithing business and sell them, I do it on the fly when someone wants me to build them one but I normally only do that for people folks I know.

Put your money in the barrel and the trigger, then buy good parts - wait until around thanksgiving when all the sales go on.
I typically use white oak barrels, and Giessle triggers… with white oak guts.. Then I do the beyond Army Armament AR guys work on it.

Find someone that has taken Gordy Gritters AR building class like that and they can build you one for under 1,200 bucks that will shoot under a dime at 100 yards….

I have 2 left from last year I’ll put up for sale pretty soon… getting time is a bugger these days.

Spot

Standard WAO 18" SPR profile, fluted 1:8" with matched bolt & carrier.

https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/18-inch-spr-fluted.html

The rest of it:

Aero Precision stripped upper & lower, I did lap the upper receiver, but haven't bedded it.
Giessele SD-E trigger
SLR Rifle Works FF rail and titanium AGB
Magpul UBR stock


The gas block journals on the WOAs are a little large to allow fitting, so I used a brake hone on the SLR AGB to fit it.