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I know pictures are very important but i wasnt able to take any so lets say a solid 5 out of 10 with no rust. Gun hasnt been abused but definitely no safe queen with some scratches An older gentleman in our community passed away and had a few firearms. Could someone give me an idea about what this gun is worth. Not trying to buy it but am trying to get a ball park figure on what price to ask for this gun. Thanks in advance.

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If it helps you, I am bringing one to Tulsa that is an honest 95% rifle. It is spotless EXCEPT it has been drilled for a scope. I plugged the holes when I got it and it looks good but they are there. I believe mine is a 53 vintage and I am going to ask $875.


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To be perfectly honest the model 61 has and always will be desirable. There a very sleek and very well designed and built pump action rifle. The .22 mag. is and always has been more desirable and tends to bring higher $$ in good to excellent condition. 5 out of 10 in your opinion put it in the middle of the road as far as condition goes and yes without pictures that does make it harder to try to evaluate it. Is it original? Is the gun functioning well enough to use and shoot as it sounds more like a good shooter than collectible.
Caliber most common is the .22 S, L, or LR designation in 24 inch round or octagon barrel. .22 wrf, was another choice in calibers among the 3 options.
Has the gun been refinished, stock,(wood), or the barrel re blued? 160user gave some nice comparative information. If yours hasn't been drilled or tapped, that's something guy's who collect look for, but if yours is more of a shooter like 160user is selling then it doesn't matter as much. Some of these were smooth bores, Rutledge bore, or counter bored. Probably not likely but something else to look for on the top left address in front of the receiver on the left side. Some of the early ones were used in shooting galleries but it will most likely have a "Winchester" roll die stamped on the side of the receiver. These are hard to come by and very desirable. The post war receivers will usually be seen with a grooved receiver on top for a scope mount. These are also more desirable. So without going into further details the bore condition will be important as a shooter grade. IMHO. I think your in the ballpark using 160user's advice and price range depending on variables!

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It has an older scope on it. Definitely a shooter more than a collector piece.

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For a shooter that has been drilled and tapped, I think $500.00 would be about right. You can but real nice ones for $900.00 to $1100.00.

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If anyone cares or not here is what the Blue Book of Guns has to say about it:


WINCHESTER MODEL 61 HAMMERLESS Description
.22 S, L, LR, WRF or Mag. cal., 24 in. round or octagon barrel (disc. 1947), with rifling or smoothbore (either small bore or Routledge), tube mag., open sights, plain grip stock. Approx. 350,000 mfg. between 1932-1963.

Pre-war manufacture has small forearm. "WRF" marked round barrel is rare - front of receiver must be marked "W.R.F."
Watch for fake boxes and hanging tags on this model, especially with rifles in over 95%+ original condition.

WINCHESTER MODEL 61 HAMMERLESS Price & Value
Grading
100% $1,300
98%. $1,125
95%. $950
90%. $875
80%. $725
70%. $550
60%. $450
50%. $350
40%. $300
30%. $250
20%. $200
10%. $150

Add up to 100% for single cal. barrel marking (S or LR, Short is very rare).
Add $300 for pre-war mfg. w/small forearm.
Add 20% for grooved receiver.
Add 10% for pre-WWII rust blue metal finish.
Mint original pre-war Model 61s in the proper picture box are selling in the $3,800-$4,500 range. Post-war boxed Model 61s (Kraft box) are selling in the $2,800-$3,200 range. Smoothbore small diameter shot variations are selling in the $3,000-$4,000 range, while the Routledge shot variation with .410 diameter bore are selling in the $8,500-$10,000 range.

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I bought a really nice non-grooved 61 at a collector show about 20 years ago for $500. but the guy was apologetic because it had two receiver holes drilled and filled which made it a non-collectible. I wanted a shooter anyway and put a 2-7x28 rimfire Leupold on it on Weaver rear mounts both on the receiver that turned out excellent. I wasn’t about to have the barrel drilled for that Weaver front mount and didn’t need to. They are neat little rifles and carry well one handed. I grew up with a 62A, but always wanted a 61. I would check Gun Broker for more current values.


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Originally Posted by JediWing19
If anyone cares or not here is what the Blue Book of Guns has to say about it:


WINCHESTER MODEL 61 HAMMERLESS Description
.22 S, L, LR, WRF or Mag. cal., 24 in. round or octagon barrel (disc. 1947), with rifling or smoothbore (either small bore or Routledge), tube mag., open sights, plain grip stock. Approx. 350,000 mfg. between 1932-1963.

Pre-war manufacture has small forearm. "WRF" marked round barrel is rare - front of receiver must be marked "W.R.F."
Watch for fake boxes and hanging tags on this model, especially with rifles in over 95%+ original condition.

WINCHESTER MODEL 61 HAMMERLESS Price & Value
Grading
100% $1,300
98%. $1,125
95%. $950
90%. $875
80%. $725
70%. $550
60%. $450
50%. $350
40%. $300
30%. $250
20%. $200
10%. $150

Add up to 100% for single cal. barrel marking (S or LR, Short is very rare).
Add $300 for pre-war mfg. w/small forearm.
Add 20% for grooved receiver.
Add 10% for pre-WWII rust blue metal finish.
Mint original pre-war Model 61s in the proper picture box are selling in the $3,800-$4,500 range. Post-war boxed Model 61s (Kraft box) are selling in the $2,800-$3,200 range. Smoothbore small diameter shot variations are selling in the $3,000-$4,000 range, while the Routledge shot variation with .410 diameter bore are selling in the $8,500-$10,000 range.

How would the OP's rifle compare to this one? It also appears to have been d&t'd:


1958 model 61 sold a week ago for $476.76


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My guesstimate would be $400-$500

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I wish i would have gotten some photos, but this gun still has good blueing but it has a lot marks where it was carried thru the woods alot. No deep scratches but some that are close to being deep. I think 400 should be bottom dollar and let them see what they get above that.

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There is a 1971 winchester 94 30-30 open site. About a 6 out of 10. Same shape as the 22cal in this thread. What would be a fair price to ask for it?

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Originally Posted by rickyb
There is a 1971 winchester 94 30-30 open site. About a 6 out of 10. Same shape as the 22cal in this thread. What would be a fair price to ask for it?

Pictures sure would help in threads like this. The closest I could find on GB is a 1970 model that sold for $805.00 a couple months ago. That rifle was in very good condition. A rifle like the one you ask about: In lesser condition, and anything that makes it un original, the price plummets. I've seen this era of 94 sell for $450-$700.00. They just don't seem to be as popular as the pre 64 model 94. Other guys may be able to help with "fair" value?


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.

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Thanks BSA, im trying to help a 89 year old lady keep from being ripped off. I was thinking about 400.00 on this gun also. Those old 30-30’s dont have safeties on them and that makes them dangerous.


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