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Read the original post. He said the church taught……. I have not read anywhere in the Bible God saying the Earth was flat or the the Sun revolved around the Earth. That’s man’s distortion. Check out the documentary “Is Genesis History” on Amazon. Explains how “science” is wrong about the geologic processes taking millions of years to form the Grand Canyon, etc.

you bet and santa clause . easter bunny and tooth fairy!!!! IDIOT

Any number of millions of years could have come between verse one and verse 2 of Genesis. In verse one God created the earth. Verse 2 should be translated more along the lines of "And the earth became a total devastation." according to the Hebrew.

Think about it just a second. God created the heavens and earth, yet it was without any form, and it was void? It is a simple mistranslation.

Isn't it possible that the fall of Satan and the war in Heaven caused destruction and chaos on earth and then God made man as we know man after the destruction of the old earth. That would answer the question of Neanderthal man and all the human variants. Possibly they were not descended from Adam but were before Adam. Possibly it has only been 6000 years since God made Adam and the earth is much older.

I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. I believe that the Holy Bible is the inspired Word of God. Everything else is "small stuff" that I am not going to sweat...

If I am not mistaken what duke61 is describing is called "gap theory" which says that an interval of time passed between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. Again, if I am not mistaken, the idea has been around a long time, maybe a couple hundred years, so perhaps its not solely an attempt to make the scriptural account of creation shoehorn into working with evolution and carbon dating. How big was the gap? As big as you want it I guess.

Is it true? I don't know, I was not there when God created the earth.

Did God create the earth in some process that causes the matter it consists of to appear to "science" to be a bazillion years old. I don't know, I wasn't there. Could be. It also could be that the procedure "science" uses to date things is flawed. I believe he created it.

Are the 6 days of creation literal 24 hour days? Some, using the verse from 2nd Peter about a day to the Lord being like a thousand years to give as a reason the earth could be bazillions of years old and therefore fit in without too much cognitive dissonance with the mainstream.

All kinds of ways to rationalize or ride the fence if you will.

I'll come to the point. I'm speaking to those of you who claim to be believers. The rest of you stop reading and have a nice day.

You believe that Jesus Christ was born in an extraordinary way, from a virgin mother.

You believe that Jesus Christ performed many great miracles including raising a guy from the dead and feeding 5000 people with a boy's lunch. Walked on water too.

You believe Jesus Christ was subjected to a Roman scourging, crucified, stabbed in the side with a spear, buried in a cave and yet 3 days later rose from the dead for your salvation.

Wouldn't it be easier to believe that a Roman soldier was Jesus's real father, the miracles were myths, and that Jesus really didn't die or his disciples stole his body and made the whole thing up? Or maybe it was all figurative or "allegory". All of these things have been said by unbelievers since day one.

Check your motives regarding what you believe about the origins of the earth. Jesus Christ quoted from Genesis at least a couple of times off the top of my head thus giving it his approval. Do you believe whatever it is you believe about the creation to avoid the persecution of being thought a fool by fools or is it some other reason?

If its the latter, you have problems imo. Its gonna get a lot worse than being laughed at by a fool. What will you do when they come after your money and or freedom? We are at the very brink of that as I type. How much will you compromise?

Paul said, writing to professing Christians, that they should test themselves to see if they are in the faith.

I think that is a good idea, I do it all the time when presented with "issues" of the day. Because at the end of the day, heaven is for believers. We are "saved by faith" but my concern is how half assed can your faith be and still get the job done? How much scripture can you ignore, or allegorize away until it becomes useless?

One of you start a thread asking "DID JESUS CHRIST RISE FROM THE DEAD" and see what you get.

Exactly, who cares how old the earth is!

Bingo, we have a winner!!!

This place has turned into a shîthole
B type sycophants fawning and contributing to any and every post some new sock starts.

RJY66,

The idea Peter's quote could be used to confuse the issue is ludicrous. Read the context. It's talking about God's patience and wanting all to come to repentance. In the Psalms God says a thousand years is like a watch in the night; which is four hours. Take a look at the following, which comes right out of the Ten Commandments.

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. For six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your resident who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Trying to shoehorn a judgement into Genesis One is no different from the unbelievers distorting the rest of the Scripture. By the way, if God's definition of a day in the first day is not clear enough it should be clear enough in the fourth day for even slow people.

Its at least 6000 yrs old!

I specifically said "The Church" as opposed to quoting the Bible because it is quite evident that the truths of the Bible can and have been twisted or misunderstood by many over time. The hubris of the church leaders at times has distorted the bible and it's true meanings which has caused schisms within the faithful. This was the basis of the Lutheran faithful, among many others that felt the Catholic church at the time was either disregarding the bible or deliberately twisting its meaning for political or monetary gain.

I agree with many of you- the age of the earth, be it 6000 years or 6 Trillion is less important than what the Bible was assembled to teach us about how to live our life to glorify God . However, this old argument continues to come up in conversations here and in my personal interactions with people I know and consider well educated and religious. As adults and believers I think it is wise to be graceful to accept that they believe without ridiculing even if we believe 180 degrees differently and that is what I normally do. I say I "normally" do as there have been times when I have been confronted by militant religious people who feel it is their right to call me "other than acceptable titles" and insult my parentage when this subject comes up. At those times I respond in kind but I wonder if there was a better way to handle this situation in the future- after I calm down.

Faith works both ways- you can believe in God but in effect if you don't believe in the knowledge He has given us to understand our world are you not doubting his plan? If science can demonstrate that they can date objects, stars, the speed of light, and other seemingly impossible tasks just a century ago, was this ability not given to us by God? The rabbit hole is deep...

It doesn't. Quite the opposite actually. Isaiah speaking of God, states He who sits above the "circle" of the earth.

Now how would somebody living around 700 B.C. who's world was only what he could see with his eye, know that. How would he know that more than 2600 years later when the first pictures of earth appeared when viewed from space, it is indeed a perfect circle.

More than 2000 years after those words were written some of the greatest minds of the day still believed the world was flat.

Well done, Sir!
Rational thinkers will appreciate your post as we realize that it takes little time and effort to grunt out a steaming pile of nonsense a great deal more refute it.
But don't expect a reply from Ringman, whose only refutation of facts is "Magic man in the sky done it" if he bothers to reply at all.

A circle is a two dimensional shape. You can rationalize it all you want, it still mean two dimension, of in other words flat.

Willto,

Your question, "Anything else you would like to know?" is a bit arrogant. You are assuming I believe your answers. You did not answer my question about why you believe there was no daughter product in the beginning and why you believe none was leached in or out. I have the answer. You have to believe what you are taught by evolutionists. It's required by your world view.

About the novas: There was a non-creationist Ph.D. astronomer who developed a program that would track debris from novas and super novas for up to a million years. He contacted observatories around the world and requested any data they had. The oldest any astronomer sent he tracked to no more than 7,000 years old. There are about four per century. They discovered about 280 observed.

I, probably like you, am a parrot. I have no field experience or laboratory experience. I read what others have done and pass it on. I don't keep a file of fun info to pass on. I am convinced serious questioners will try to find the facts for themselves.

It's like a friend of mine who was a rabid evolutionist. Decades ago he seriously told me, "Christians have two brains. One is lost and the other is out looking for it." He decided to proof creationists wrong. He studied ten fields of study. You know, things like biology, chemistry, physics, astronomy, laws of probability, geology, paleontology, etc. He eventually told me he proved himself wrong in everything he studied. Recently, told me, "There would be a lot more serious Christians if there were a lot more serious skeptics." He eventually ended with three doctorates.

Lol. Who's rationalizing here. A man in sandals who had no method of travel or of higher learning and as a man of that time was only aware of the small world that his eye could see, stated in writing that the earth is a circle. If you draw a circle and ask a 3 yr old what it is, they will tell you it's a circle. That's what the earth looks like when viewed from space and it was called by a man living in 700 B.C.

Historical fact. Sorry it's so hard for you to rationalize that.

You think Isaiah had the mental capacity of a 3 year old? Fair enough. (Actually I think both of my kids were able to understand the concept of a spherical Earth as 3 year olds. It’s not that hard.)

People knew the Earth was spherical since at least the 5th century BC, probably earlier but that is as far back as evidence for that knowledge goes back. The circumference of the Earth was figured out with an amazing level of accuracy by the 3rd century BC. They did this with some very simple observations and a basic understanding of geometry.

Totally.

No.

I think the latest modern human rise in civilization is about that old.

I think that every time man advances enough to wipe out humanity that is what happens. My guess would be seven times or so. I think the pyramids are part of the last era of humanity well before the pharaohs.

No. I don't believe anyone knows the age of the age earth ! Sandals found around a hundred miles from here, are carbon dated double that length of time! My 2 cents.